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Quote: from DoomMaker at 3:37 pm on Nov. 15, 2006

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You made a very poor argument according to many and ignored the links. Let's keep that to that thread.  

 The more different a planet's evolution and history vary from Earth, the more varied the intelligent 'life form' will be, I'd guess.

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Very poor according to many?

how many?  

and how many would be willing verfiy that claim>?

or was it just you?

 
...And yes --- I did ignore most,  if not all your links --

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According to at least a dozen people I regularly talk to.

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Quote: from Blackadder at 11:15 am on Nov. 15, 2006

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Quote: from DoomMaker at 3:37 pm on Nov. 15, 2006

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You made a very poor argument according to many and ignored the links. Let's keep that to that thread.  

  The more different a planet's evolution and history vary from Earth, the more varied the intelligent 'life form' will be, I'd guess.

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 Very poor according to many?  

 how many?  

 and how many would be willing verfiy that claim>?  

 or was it just you?  

   
 ...And yes --- I did ignore most,  if not all your links --

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Then you had no real argument.

According to at least a dozen people I regularly talk to.

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But rather convienantly; no names are mentioned.

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It seems you gathered your information from one very biased source on this subject.

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THIS POST IS MORE VERBOSE

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This is plausible. Possible, but very unlikely. If they were there, would we not have already found them?

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This is over the span of billions of galaxies. Can we travel to other galaxies? NO. So no, we would not have found them.

No offense, that was a really dumb comment....

Post edited at 8:10 am on Nov. 16, 2006 by DoomMaker

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The Drake equation states that:

   N = R^{*} ~ \times ~ f_{p} ~ \times ~ n_{e} ~ \times ~ f_{l} ~ \times ~ f_{i} ~ \times ~ f_{c} ~ \times ~ L

where:

   N is the number of civilizations in our galaxy with which we might expect to be able to communicate at any given time

and

   R* is the rate of star formation in our galaxy
   fp is the fraction of those stars that have planets
   ne is average number of planets that can potentially support life per star that has planets
   fl is the fraction of the above that actually go on to develop life
   fi is the fraction of the above that actually go on to develop intelligent life
   fc is the fraction of the above that are willing and able to communicate
   L is the expected lifetime of such a civilization

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That is the drake equation, generally used to support claims that Extraterrestrial life exists. That was taken from wikipedia, but it is correct, I just didn't feel like finding a better source.

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Also, you have to consider the time span involved.
Over at least five billion years, a lot of the races that have evolved have wiped themselves out or have in some way been removed from existence, and so we will never see them, maybe ruins of them.

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The Drake equation states that:

    N = R^{*} ~ \times ~ f_{p} ~ \times ~ n_{e} ~ \times ~ f_{l} ~ \times ~ f_{i} ~ \times ~ f_{c} ~ \times ~ L

where:

    N is the number of civilizations in our galaxy with which we might expect to be able to communicate at any given time

and

    R* is the rate of star formation in our galaxy
    fp is the fraction of those stars that have planets
    ne is average number of planets that can potentially support life per star that has planets
    fl is the fraction of the above that actually go on to develop life
    fi is the fraction of the above that actually go on to develop intelligent life
    fc is the fraction of the above that are willing and able to communicate
    L is the expected lifetime of such a civilization

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That is the drake equation, generally used to support claims that Extraterrestrial life exists. That was taken from wikipedia, but it is correct, I just didn't feel like finding a better source.

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I do agree that many civilizations most likely do wipe themselves out. This is why I hypothesized that only a few would make it to the next level (starfaring), and fewer to even greater levels. A few races may ascend to an entirely different level of existence, for all we know.

Again, there are billions upon billions of galaxies, many bigger than ours, so such an equation would have to be multiplied by a very large number.

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Yes, however, galaxy-faring is so far above our current level of technology that we are not likely to become so ourselves for many millenia (assuming we make it that far).

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We are doomed if we stay on one planet in any case.
Plus, if we spread to other planetary bodies in the solar system, it makes it difficult for any political power to control everyone, and we  would have freedom like we cannot have on earth.

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Perhaps in several centuries the human race will be more reasonable, and rational.

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