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Apotheosis
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All opinions are pretty much replacements for facts we haven't discovered yet. Opinions can be wrong; there is no reason to think they can't be. I flip a coin. Your opinion is that it landed tails; I say it landed heads. It landed tails--your opinion was right, mine was wrong. By extension, a political party can say that the coin landed heads and be wrong, which we won't know until we see the coin. Interestingly enough, some people will see the coin and still keep their views, or they won't even look at the coin once it was been unveiled. In your case, the BNP is a retarded group of misguided, fascist, racist, nationalistic cunts. Their views are wrong, according to any mainstream definition of right and wrong.
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diablo ollie
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oh my fucking god!!!!!! Who the fuck made you a mod? seriously!!!!! Dam this is the funniest shit ever!!!!!!
Ok so you flip a coin. My GUESS is it will land on heads! Thats not an opinion. Thats a guess. Then when the outcome is shown, you can be PROVED right or wrong. Ok so YOUR opinion about the BNP is what you think they are. Its not a guess. Its not a fact. Maybe one day your opinion may be proved right. Maybe it mght be proved wrong. But until the FACTS come in then it is neither right or wrong! Your opinion might stay the samel but the facts are there to PROVE you right or wrong. The point is there is no right or wrong on this! Its a matter of opinion. And if the mainstream opinion its that their veiws are wrong, then thats just their opinion, but it doesnt prove anyone else wrong!!!! seriously how the fuck are you a mod? I seriously cant believe that you tried to prove me wrong and said something so stupid!!! peace man.
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Ray mears says how we have so much to learn from
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Apotheosis
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Quote: from diablo ollie at 8:43 pm on Mar. 3, 2007
 oh my fucking god!!!!!! Who the fuck made you a mod? seriously!!!!! Dam this is the funniest shit ever!!!!!!
 That kid.
Ok so you flip a coin. My GUESS is it will land on heads! Thats not an opinion. Thats a guess. Then when the outcome is shown, you can be PROVED right or wrong.
Opinions can be guesses, or they can be educated guesses, or estimates, or simply feelings or hunches. See, you're wrong here because you're assuming there is only one kind of opinion. While there are opinions that cannot be proved false, there are opinions which can be wrong, but simply haven't been verified yet. And, furthermore, there are opinions which have been proved wrong, but those who hold them either deny the existence or validity of the proof against them, or are ignorant of said proofs.
Ok so YOUR opinion about the BNP is what you think they are. Its not a guess. Its not a fact. Maybe one day your opinion may be proved right. Maybe it mght be proved wrong. But until the FACTS come in then it is neither right or wrong! Your opinion might stay the samel but the facts are there to PROVE you right or wrong.
When the facts come in, they don't magically "turn" my opinion right or wrong. My opinion was right or wrong, we just didn't know.
The point is there is no right or wrong on this! Its a matter of opinion. And if the mainstream opinion its that their veiws are wrong, then thats just their opinion, but it doesnt prove anyone else wrong!!!!
That's true--to argue that mainstream support of something makes it right (or that mainstream disapproval of something makes it wrong) is called argumentum ad populum, and is logically flawed. However, in order for one to argue whether it's right or wrong, we have to agree on what "right" and "wrong" are--I'm saying that, using the mainstream terms of good and evil that most of mankind can agree upon, one can determine the views held by BNP to be wrong.
seriously how the fuck are you a mod?
Because I write properly, speak coherently and intelligently and enforce the rules. It's cool shit.
I seriously cant believe that you tried to prove me wrong and said something so stupid!!! peace man.
I suppose perception of intelligence is cyclical. Once something goes right over your head, it goes right back around and seems stupid.
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diablo ollie
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Ok so basicly your saying that an opinion can be right or wrong, even if nobody knows it. So how the fuck can you say weather its right or wrong if nobody knows? basicly its matter of opinion. (i hate repeting myself, but hey). just an example:
Ok so take this: The mainstream opinion is that the world is going to end exactly a year today. does that make it right? When the mainsteam gets proved wrong......Is it still right? Or does the mainsteam definition of right change?
Man i dont wanna be a fucking mod as i have a life!!! And a job that pays!!! Not enough hours in the day to sit on my arse for too long!!! seriously your digging yourself deeper and deeper! give it up man!!!!
peace out!!!!
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Ray mears says how we have so much to learn from
native tribes.................But surely they have so much
more to learn from us!!!
and this guys a mod
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Apotheosis
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Quote: from diablo ollie at 9:15 pm on Mar. 3, 2007
Ok so basicly your saying that an opinion can be right or wrong, even if nobody knows it. So how the fuck can you say weather its right or wrong if nobody knows? basicly its matter of opinion. (i hate repeting myself, but hey).
You're assuming that it's a matter of guessing, a 50%/50% shot. Compare this to someone proposing that we jump off a cliff and that something really lucky will happen and we will land safely and have the ride of our lives. That's his opinion. I say we'll die. With no additional data, one can confidently state that he is fucking crazy and his views are wrong. Opinions can be retarded, illogical and make no sense. Additionally, one must consider what rationale brings people to having opinions. I mean, racists don't wake up one day thinking "Boy, I hate 'em niggers!"--something triggers it. So when a racist person approaches you and comments that he thinks black people are the root of all evil, it's not a matter of thinking "Oh well, that's his opinion!"; one can on one hand logically dissect his idea and discredit any validity it claims to have from a scientific or logical point of view, and one can then dissect the reasons that brought a seemingly normal human being to such an illogical, absurd conclusion, to prevent harmful, dangerous ideas from being spread around, stirring shit up.
just an example:
Ok so take this: The mainstream opinion is that the world is going to end exactly a year today. does that make it right? When the mainsteam gets proved wrong......Is it still right? Or does the mainsteam definition of right change?
Misusing terms here. I'm saying that the ideals and mission expressed by the BNP are wrong, not as in factually incorrect, but as in inhumane and immoral. Not wrong like 2+2=5, wrong like burning an orphan home in Christmas Eve.
Man i dont wanna be a fucking mod as i have a life!!! And a job that pays!!! Not enough hours in the day to sit on my arse for too long!!!
Same here, man. Studying two careers at the same time and going out every weekend doesn't leave me much time to mod. I'm hoping David doesn't notice.
seriously your digging yourself deeper and deeper!
You've yet to make an even vaguely valid point. For the moment, you're just rambling nonsensically about the ambiguity of opinions, and confusing yourself in semantics.
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Quote: from diablo ollie at 6:15 pm on Mar. 3, 2007
Ok so basicly your saying that an opinion can be right or wrong, even if nobody knows it. So how the fuck can you say weather its right or wrong if nobody knows? basicly its matter of opinion. (i hate repeting myself, but hey). just an example:
Ok so take this: The mainstream opinion is that the world is going to end exactly a year today. does that make it right? When the mainsteam gets proved wrong......Is it still right? Or does the mainsteam definition of right change?
Man i dont wanna be a fucking mod as i have a life!!! And a job that pays!!! Not enough hours in the day to sit on my arse for too long!!! seriously your digging yourself deeper and deeper! give it up man!!!!
peace out!!!!
having an opinion is one thing. Hurting people by following it is another. Hitler didn't like Jews, fine. Killing them isn't right. Aren't their laws against hate speech also...didn't the president of the BNP get in trouble for saying something...thats not just an opinion. If you just think something, fine, if you associate yourself with a party that acts on that, its more then an opinion. Plus I'm allowed to have my opinion about the BNP.
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diablo ollie
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Yeah the bnp leader got in trouble and ill think you will find that when he went to court; He pleaded 'freedom of speach'. therefore he got of scott free as there is nothing wrong with freedom of speach! yeah you can have your opinion about the bnp and your opinion is neither right or wrong.
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Ray mears says how we have so much to learn from
native tribes.................But surely they have so much
more to learn from us!!!
and this guys a mod
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The Samsoniteman
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Freedom of speech is fine as long as it's not impeding on other's rights. The BNP have crossed the line and continue to do so. A party of thugs, racists, homophobes, terrorists and fascists should be shown for what they are.
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