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"Designer Babies"
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Replies: 37Last Post Mar. 8, 2007 3:42am by goodman
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Science is basically on the brink of handing us the key to our own creation, of giving us the power to essentially “redesign” ourselves. There is gargantuan potential for good – diseases can be eradicated, death delayed, human potential extended even further. But why the fuck are we contemplating doing this if behind all the good lurks a sinister, bitter shade of uncertainty?

What would happen to parenthood, or individuality, of the concept of providence in a world in which human beings are, in essence, engineered? What will life be like if we actually possess the power to turn human beings into manufactured objects?

Basically, science is on the verge of permitting us to design our offspring – parents would choose the genes that “define” humanity – hair colour, height, eye colour, longevity, intelligence, even some personality traits. Playing God would be normal as opposed to leaving it up to nature, which is the luck of the draw.
There’s no doubt in my mind that the abolition of ailments such as cystic fibrosis or Tay-Sachs would be substantially helpful. But who decides what’s “average” and what isn’t? Someone who is blind is just as regular as someone who isn’t – but blindness won’t be a sought-after trait, will it? Of course not.

Another argument could be the ridiculous longevity of the genetically modified children. What if everyone lived to be 100? 130? The world would be an incredibly crowded place, and I don’t want to be one of the people trying to clean it up. It would make larger gaps between the rich and poor; it wouldn’t be free. Would the rich be guaranteed a great life, with unnatural intelligence or good looks, whereas the poor have to play the “life-lottery”?

How do you feel about it?


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I think it's a disgusting idea. People should be the way they are intended to be, not some copy of everyone else.

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Yeah, I don't like the idea of it.
I still don't even know if I like the idea of them taking away diseases, because that is still "playing God", and maybe because that disease got taken away another one might develop.

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As true as that may be, history always repeats itself; From the harnessing of fire to the splitting of the atom, humanity has never made a scientific discovery and failed to use it.

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If that were to become a standard way of having a baby, I would be pissed. It's not right, it's bad enough that scientists want to clone animals and humans, but genetic engineering is so far past the line. It's not the scientists' right to play God.

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WOW we just did a whole thing on this in Social Issues about 2 weeks ago.. I dont have an opinion on it really.. it can go either way.. there's some things i approve and others i dont...

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Quote: from xxkat at 11:43 pm on Feb. 21, 2007

Yeah, I don't like the idea of it.  
I still don't even know if I like the idea of them taking away diseases, because that is still "playing God", and maybe because that disease got taken away another one might develop.  

Where does one draw the line at playing God? Is it playing God to mend a broken bone? Are we trampling in God's garden if we use chemotherapy to treat cancer? Are we pissing in His eye if we use respirators to keep someone alive long enough for them to recover full functionality on their own?

At one point, exactly, do we cross from the allowable into the forbidden land?

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Quote: from im a girl wrestler at 5:45 pm on Feb. 22, 2007

it can go either way.. there's some things i approve and others i dont...

Mhmm
i don't see the problem with abolishing blindness etc, but i'm unsure where i stand on the issue, as a whole.


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I think it's a fantastic idea.  

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I think designer babies are a horrible idea. It will lower genetic diversity, which could leave our whole species susceptible to diseases that could wipe out all of us because we all share the same weaknesses due to too much genetic similarity. Also, suppose a parent picks out their preferred genetic characteristics, but because science is a bit of an art as well something goes awry and the baby doesn't turned out like they had planned then that child would be a "mistake" because it wasn't "perfect." Also, I agree with the increased gaps between the rich and the poor. The wealthy would be able to easily advance themselves to have the best qualities a human could have, but those who couldn't afford the gene therapy would not have that advantage, and would be at a great disadvantage even after birth because people might automatically assume the rich kids were better and had more potential. The whole thing is just a nasty spider's web of ethics and immorality. Yes, we could get rid of some bad genetic mutations, and even help decrease some predisposition to certain disorders, but at what cost?

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Quote: from TheOtherHorseman at 11:46 pm on Feb. 21, 2007

Quote: from xxkat at 11:43 pm on Feb. 21, 2007

Yeah, I don't like the idea of it.  
I still don't even know if I like the idea of them taking away diseases, because that is still "playing God", and maybe because that disease got taken away another one might develop.  

Where does one draw the line at playing God? Is it playing God to mend a broken bone? Are we trampling in God's garden if we use chemotherapy to treat cancer? Are we pissing in His eye if we use respirators to keep someone alive long enough for them to recover full functionality on their own?

At one point, exactly, do we cross from the allowable into the forbidden land?


First off, the body heals broken bones, not other people;

chemotherapy doesn't always work because if it always worked, cancer would be easily treatable;

I agree that keeping someone alive on a respirator is kinda "playing God." I wouldn't want to be alive on a respirator.


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i don't see how someone can say "it's not the scientists' right to play God" -- how is it your right to decide who and who doesn't "play god"?

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Quote: from TheOtherHorseman at 8:46 pm on Feb. 21, 2007

Quote: from xxkat at 11:43 pm on Feb. 21, 2007

Yeah, I don't like the idea of it.  
I still don't even know if I like the idea of them taking away diseases, because that is still "playing God", and maybe because that disease got taken away another one might develop.  

Where does one draw the line at playing God? Is it playing God to mend a broken bone? Are we trampling in God's garden if we use chemotherapy to treat cancer? Are we pissing in His eye if we use respirators to keep someone alive long enough for them to recover full functionality on their own?

At one point, exactly, do we cross from the allowable into the forbidden land?


Yeah but by the point your bone is broken and your getting chemotherapy you have already developed the disease and you've already suffered from it.


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Quote: from Seafercat at 11:54 pm on Feb. 21, 2007

i don't see how someone can say "it's not the scientists' right to play God" -- how is it your right to decide who and who doesn't "play god"?

As a religious person, God>>>>>>>>man, and it's not man's place to do His job. Man should learn their place.


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