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teleportation... real ( almost)
Replies: 63Last Post Dec. 11, 2006 12:39pm by obvious child
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Quote: from obvious child at 12:17 pm on Dec. 7, 2006

Well...evolution is beyond the understandings of most people here, which would suggest that quantum mechanics is like a alien language.

and everything we know is changed again  and again with each new discovery

and all we know is not that much

people say we haven't scratched the surface....

hell we haven't even gotten to the surface

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Please show me research which indicates we can pinpoint the exact location of a atom and a electron at any point in time.


Ive done my research buddy

*cough* BULLSHIT *cough*

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Black hurricane lives in the era where Helium atoms looked like this:

And not like this:


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Quote: from obvious child at 1:16 pm on Dec. 7, 2006

Please show me research which indicates we can pinpoint the exact location of a atom and a electron at any point in time.


Ive done my research buddy

*cough* BULLSHIT *cough*


first of all an electron is part of the atom

second of all let me explain  a basic principal of physics

if you check position ... you change the spin( aka speed)..

if you check the spin( aka speed) .....you change the position

you cannot know both at the same time in the same universe...

but for teleportation purposes.. you only need to know the position..( because your only need to know the position for purposes of teleportaion)

and your right... no one can ever know the exact position of an electron.. its to small and moving to fast, its everywhere at once

but were not talking about the electron.. just the atom as a whole... and it  is quite easy to find out the position

it just involves a lot of math



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You can't see the position of an electron, ever. You can only figure out how likely is it to be located in a certain region. Thus, the image I posted above. Darker = More chances.

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actaully it's already being experimented, but so far they've only been able to more things by a few atoms, or at the most I think was 5 inches

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Apotheosis, do you think our resident babbling idiot understands the problem of not being able to find the exact location of the electron and atom at the same time?

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Quote: from Bara no Mitsukai at 10:42 am on Dec. 8, 2006

actaully it's already being experimented, but so far they've only been able to more things by a few atoms, or at the most I think was 5 inches

Biggest I heard was a Fly wing...

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Quote: from obvious child at 8:52 am on Dec. 8, 2006

Apotheosis, do you think our resident babbling idiot understands the problem of not being able to find the exact location of the electron and atom at the same time?

how many times do i have to state this... NO BODY CAN FIND THE EXACT POSITION OF THE ELECTRON... nobody has ever found one yet ( only the shadow of one)

you don't need to find the electron......... just the atom.......... i will repeat it again
you don't need to find the electron......... just the atom
you don't need to find the electron......... just the atom
you don't need to find the electron......... just the atom
you don't need to find the electron......... just the atom

You cannot see air ... but yet it exists

why? You can only see the  effects that air has on the world

same goes for atoms

you measures the force that one atom has on other atoms and you can pin-point the exact position of the force-acting atom.

And i will say it again... you don't need to know the spin , just the position and type of atom ( you find out the type by measuring the  amount of force  acted on other atoms... then  you can find out the weight of one atom.. and finally using the mole theory, you can find out what kind of atom that is)

It been done before, and again, and again, and again

regardless if I got my facts right ( and i do)
regardless if you agree or don't agree ( it doesn't really matter)

I can be done, and no matter how much you want to argue with me or disagree with me ... nothing changes that fact


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And why do you think the electron isn't important?

Do you even understand how electrons work in chemistry much less how that influences biology?

So I guess you answered my question: you don't understand the importance of knowing the location of both at the same time.

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Quote: from espresso8097 at 12:17 pm on Dec. 8, 2006

Quote: from Bara no Mitsukai at 10:42 am on Dec. 8, 2006

actaully it's already being experimented, but so far they've only been able to more things by a few atoms, or at the most I think was 5 inches

Biggest I heard was a Fly wing...


hmm, well the magazine I read WAS a few months old, but a fly wing O.O w00t,

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Atomic chemistry is confusing shit.

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He seems to think that if you assemble his brain and randomly assign all the electrons any position you like, as long as all the atoms are there, he'll be the exact same.

He is an ignorant sack of shit, of course.


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Orbitals! Woooo.

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Quote: from Apotheosis at 4:48 pm on Dec. 8, 2006

He seems to think that if you assemble his brain and randomly assign all the electrons any position you like, as long as all the atoms are there, he'll be the exact same.

He is an ignorant sack of shit, of course.


yes I'm the sack of shit...

yet people of a much higher scientific background have agreed that what i stated is totally plausible.

What I stated in my first opening paragraph i was getting my information from a physic's book written by Michael Hanlon. A top author and theoretical physics buff.

He has spent many , many,  hours investigating the very subject at hand.
He has much more knowledge about the subject matter that me or  you put together

luckily he is on my side of the argument.....

so my good sir, you are " the sack"

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