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( Black hurricane )
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Quote: from obvious child at 1:16 pm on Dec. 7, 2006
Please show me research which indicates we can pinpoint the exact location of a atom and a electron at any point in time.
Ive done my research buddy 
*cough* BULLSHIT *cough* 
first of all an electron is part of the atom second of all let me explain a basic principal of physics if you check position ... you change the spin( aka speed).. if you check the spin( aka speed) .....you change the position you cannot know both at the same time in the same universe... but for teleportation purposes.. you only need to know the position..( because your only need to know the position for purposes of teleportaion) and your right... no one can ever know the exact position of an electron.. its to small and moving to fast, its everywhere at once but were not talking about the electron.. just the atom as a whole... and it is quite easy to find out the position it just involves a lot of math
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Apotheosis
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You can't see the position of an electron, ever. You can only figure out how likely is it to be located in a certain region. Thus, the image I posted above. Darker = More chances.
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Bara no Mitsukai
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actaully it's already being experimented, but so far they've only been able to more things by a few atoms, or at the most I think was 5 inches
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obvious child
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Apotheosis, do you think our resident babbling idiot understands the problem of not being able to find the exact location of the electron and atom at the same time?
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( Black hurricane )
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Quote: from obvious child at 8:52 am on Dec. 8, 2006
Apotheosis, do you think our resident babbling idiot understands the problem of not being able to find the exact location of the electron and atom at the same time? 
how many times do i have to state this... NO BODY CAN FIND THE EXACT POSITION OF THE ELECTRON... nobody has ever found one yet ( only the shadow of one) you don't need to find the electron......... just the atom.......... i will repeat it again you don't need to find the electron......... just the atom you don't need to find the electron......... just the atom you don't need to find the electron......... just the atom you don't need to find the electron......... just the atom You cannot see air ... but yet it exists why? You can only see the effects that air has on the world same goes for atoms you measures the force that one atom has on other atoms and you can pin-point the exact position of the force-acting atom. And i will say it again... you don't need to know the spin , just the position and type of atom ( you find out the type by measuring the amount of force acted on other atoms... then you can find out the weight of one atom.. and finally using the mole theory, you can find out what kind of atom that is) It been done before, and again, and again, and again regardless if I got my facts right ( and i do) regardless if you agree or don't agree ( it doesn't really matter) I can be done, and no matter how much you want to argue with me or disagree with me ... nothing changes that fact
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ajm51987
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Atomic chemistry is confusing shit.
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ajm51987
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Orbitals! Woooo.
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( Black hurricane )
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Quote: from Apotheosis at 4:48 pm on Dec. 8, 2006
He seems to think that if you assemble his brain and randomly assign all the electrons any position you like, as long as all the atoms are there, he'll be the exact same. He is an ignorant sack of shit, of course. 
yes I'm the sack of shit... yet people of a much higher scientific background have agreed that what i stated is totally plausible. What I stated in my first opening paragraph i was getting my information from a physic's book written by Michael Hanlon. A top author and theoretical physics buff. He has spent many , many, hours investigating the very subject at hand. He has much more knowledge about the subject matter that me or you put together luckily he is on my side of the argument..... so my good sir, you are " the sack"
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