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EmerleeX
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I honestly read that as onions :/
------- Moony. Wormtail. Padfoot. Prongs. The stories we love best live in us forever. Hogwarts will always be there to welcome you home.
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9:53 am on July 18, 2012 | Joined: Oct. 2007 | Days Active: 928 Join to learn more about EmerleeX England, United Kingdom | Straight Female | Posts: 27,207 | Points: 39,310
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Sine Labore Nihil
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To be honest, there's good things and bad things with unions. But the worst thing is that people take advantage of being protected by a union so much that from the outside looking it, it's a pretty bad situation. At my old summer job, the student employees weren't unionized but the rest of the employees are. The majority would take advantage of that by taking all of their days off (seasonal workers that need a month off... yesh), generally doing things they weren't supposed to, ignoring the people that were visiting... One of the employees is so incompetent, she's had many, many, many complaints from people about her, she takes days off without calling in, she skips out on work, takes a million breaks throughout the day and she's guaranteed to never be fired.
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I've investigated really corrupt unions. The MUNI (buses, cable cars, light rail) union here in San Francisco, for example, is run by the same people who run MUNI--paper pushers with half million dollar salaries. MUNI drivers are paid very well, but they don't get things like bathroom breaks or reasonable hours. If you're on a jam-packed bus and it suddenly stops at a Safeway--that's why. Their union dues go--well they aren't allowed to know where it goes. A typical union meeting consists of union execs screaming at the drivers about how they don't deserve to know shit. All the fare money gets sucked into the administrative black hole. I pulled some CIA hat tricks and found out there are six-figure positions in MUNI administration which don't actually exist. Meaning the money is going...somewhere. Yeah, there's a lot potential for abuse in unions. But it goes both ways.
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Quote: from Forever Angel at 1:44 pm on July 19, 2012
Quote: from shadowpool at 1:04 pm on July 18, 2012
I've investigated really corrupt unions. The MUNI (buses, cable cars, light rail) union here in San Francisco, for example, is run by the same people who run MUNI--paper pushers with half million dollar salaries. MUNI drivers are paid very well, but they don't get things like bathroom breaks or reasonable hours. If you're on a jam-packed bus and it suddenly stops at a Safeway--that's why. Their union dues go--well they aren't allowed to know where it goes. A typical union meeting consists of union execs screaming at the drivers about how they don't deserve to know shit. All the fare money gets sucked into the administrative black hole. I pulled some CIA hat tricks and found out there are six-figure positions in MUNI administration which don't actually exist. Meaning the money is going...somewhere. Yeah, there's a lot potential for abuse in unions. But it goes both ways. 
The reasons unions were once important have mostly been alleviated in America. 
I agree. We should pass union busting laws. Specifically because unions are getting soft. The moment we outlaw them, cities will shut down. Workers will form REAL unions. The communication necessary to achieve this inevitable outcome will fix any lack of compassion. Also, I don't know anything about the specific case that you mentioned, but usually when you see things like that happen, the shocking facts are completely false and or conditions were crappy enough to justify the temporary lapse in service. Things like severe under-staffing justify strikes because the patients are in danger anyway. Media is also highly politicized and willing and able to use things like fake video footage and pictures. Businesses have also been known to plant false evidence against workers. This is first-hand experience. Most protesting peoples who actually want demands met avoid grotesque actions because they attract bad press. Even if some union workers did do those horrible things, we should be careful about the laws we pass. We tend to have to live with them.
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Quote: from Sine Labore Nihil at 1:01 pm on July 18, 2012
To be honest, there's good things and bad things with unions. But the worst thing is that people take advantage of being protected by a union so much that from the outside looking it, it's a pretty bad situation. At my old summer job, the student employees weren't unionized but the rest of the employees are. The majority would take advantage of that by taking all of their days off (seasonal workers that need a month off... yesh), generally doing things they weren't supposed to, ignoring the people that were visiting... One of the employees is so incompetent, she's had many, many, many complaints from people about her, she takes days off without calling in, she skips out on work, takes a million breaks throughout the day and she's guaranteed to never be fired. 
It's crazyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!
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