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Re: Propaganda, Holocaust, Hitler, Jews
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Quote: from whats happenin at 12:23 am on July 17, 2012

Quote: from kidd rune at 12:12 am on July 17, 2012

And you can say that millions of Jews were gassed and buried in pits, but when the physical evidence prove otherwise you'd have to be a fool to believe such nonsense.  
 The difference is that it's PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE to gas thousands of Jews without leaving any significant iron-cyanide residue, and it's PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE to bury the remains of 2 million Jews and not have one single "mass grave".  

 But of course the Holocaust is not based on the laws of physics as it's a religious, faith-based belief not based on any rationality or logic at all.


Looking in the wrong place?
You're saying mistakes cannot be made?
That such findings, or lack thereof, cannot be mistaken?

There are mistakes in science. There are mistakes in numbers. Mistakes can be made anywhere at anytime.


The mass graves are allegedly in precisely known locations. So-called eyewitnesses point to the exact location of the alleged graves, the exact proportions, and they tested all around the camp.
The entire story is full of holes anyway, it's not just that the mass graves aren't there: the extermination method is scientifically bullshit, the numbers don't add up, the story is completely bogus and disproven by the documents; the holocaust story is simply absurd.

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Quote: from whats happenin at 6:45 pm on July 16, 2012

Do you find it odd that the Jewish worldwide population is currently around 13 million?

If all the Jews were deported instead of put in death camps, don't you think those numbers should be 16+million?


I tell you Jews are magical supernatural beings: they can appear and disappear at will and yet never die!

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Quote: from kidd rune at 2:56 am on July 17, 2012

Quote: from whats happenin at 12:23 am on July 17, 2012

Quote: from kidd rune at 12:12 am on July 17, 2012

And you can say that millions of Jews were gassed and buried in pits, but when the physical evidence prove otherwise you'd have to be a fool to believe such nonsense.
  The difference is that it's PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE to gas thousands of Jews without leaving any significant iron-cyanide residue, and it's PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE to bury the remains of 2 million Jews and not have one single "mass grave".

  But of course the Holocaust is not based on the laws of physics as it's a religious, faith-based belief not based on any rationality or logic at all.


 

 Looking in the wrong place?  
 You're saying mistakes cannot be made?  
 That such findings, or lack thereof, cannot be mistaken?  

 There are mistakes in science. There are mistakes in numbers. Mistakes can be made anywhere at anytime.


The mass graves are allegedly in precisely known locations. So-called eyewitnesses point to the exact location of the alleged graves, the exact proportions, and they tested all around the camp.
The entire story is full of holes anyway, it's not just that the mass graves aren't there: the extermination method is scientifically bullshit, the numbers don't add up, the story is completely bogus and disproven by the documents; the holocaust story is simply absurd.

"Allegedly".
"Eyewitnesses".
"Tested".

How is the "story" completely bogus if it's truth? Why would people go to that extreme to make something like that up?

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Quote: from whats happenin at 3:04 am on July 17, 2012

"Allegedly".
"Eyewitnesses".
"Tested".

Yes it's a bunch of baseless allegations that have no factual evidence to support them. Welcome to the Holocaust story.


How is the "story" completely bogus if it's truth?
It's not the truth unless you have some fucked up twisted definition of the word. The Holocaust story has so many holes in it that it looks like swiss cheese.


Why would people go to that extreme to make something like that up?
I could turn it around and ask why some of the former inmates went to the extreme to openly deny such bullshit and write to defend the political system that persecuted them. Many of these eyewitnesses THOUGHT they saw something that they didn't, or simply wanted to be part of history so they told the Allies what they wanted to hear for propaganda purposes - even the Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial in Israel admits that MOST eyewitness testimony is unreliable.
And once again I wrote a thread entirely on the subject: http://www.golivewire.com/forums/peer-eoitaat-support-a.html

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Not one person or source can confirm to how Auschwitz Burkeneu main gas chamber can functionally gas even 10% of it's claimed death figure in the 1 year operation it was in service, in fact it isn't even capable of killing the typhus victims.

However it could be possible if there was Mass graves, but there is no findings of such and until there is you can't claim it happened because the ovens just where not possibly able to cremate such a number.

Not only that but there is no facts supporting the Final solution = killing all Jews, you will never find the two words near each other from the claimed ''Proof''.

This isn't Anti Semitic this is just reality.

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http://www.archive.org/stream/HoaxOrHolocaust.TheArguments/JGhoax_djvu.txt


Why nearly everybody believes in the Holocaust

No doubt the overwhelming majority of human beings, at least in the Western states,
believe in the official version of the Holocaust for reasons which at first glance appear
entirely plausible:

First, it seems entirely inconceivable that the media as a whole would be able to
spread a story like that for over 50 years unless there was some truth in the story, at
least very generally. The average citizen, of course, can still imagine that the numbers
of victims may have been exaggerated; but the notion that the gas chamber story,
taken as a whole, could be purely a product of fantasy, is far too monstrous to
consider. In addition, the correctness of the official version of the Holocaust appears
confirmed by three factors:

- the general disappearance of the Jews from several former German-ruled countries,
particularly Poland, where three million Jews are acknowledged to have lived in the
early 1930s, but where only a few tens of thousands live today, according to official
statistics. So if they weren't exterminated, is the question, where did they go?

We will only examine the demographic aspect of the question at the end of our study;
for the moment, we will consider only one single argument in reply: at the end of
WWII, there were approximately 12 million Germans in the areas east of the Oder
und Neisse. There are only between one and two million there today. Does that really
mean that 10 to 11 million Germans in the Eastern territories were exterminated? Of
course, the answer is no; some of them died during the violence of the expulsion, of
course, but most of them escaped to the West and survived the war. According to this
logic, then, the general disappearance of Polish Jewry is no proof that most of the
Jews in these territories were exterminated. They could have escaped or emigrated.

- The alleged "innumerable eyewitness testimonies". "It may well be", people cry in
profound indignation, "that a few witnesses may have lied or exaggerated the horrors
of the Holocaust, but all of them? It's unthinkable! " This argument is based upon a
misunderstanding. There are far fewer witnesses to the extermination of the Jews in
the gas chambers than is commonly assumed. Anyone who consults the standard
literature will soon note that, basically, only a handful of witnesses are quoted
:
Gerstein, Hoss, Broad, Vrba, Mueller, Bendel, Lengyel, Tauber, Nyiszli, and a few
more. Since there are no forensic or documentary proofs for the mass killings in the
gas chambers - as we shall soon show in detail -- the entire Holocaust allegation
basically stands or falls with the testimony of perhaps two dozen standard
eyewitnesses. The great majority of the alleged "innumerable witnesses" only heard of
the gas chambers second or third hand
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- The photos and films. It is quite true that there are authentic photographs of piles of
corpses and living skeletons from German concentration camps; these photographs
were taken after their liberation by Allied troops. But they are no proof of any
systematic "extermination of the Jews", since even the official version of the story
does not dispute the fact that these dead and dying men were the victims of starvation
and epidemic disease during the chaotic last few months of the war.

In addition to these authentic photos, there are a number of grossly falsified photos,
which have been distributed widely for decades
. Udo Walendy has helped prove their
inauthenticity (15).

These manipulations in themselves, of course, are insufficient to prove that "there
wasn't any Holocaust"; but they should awaken our suspicion. Why must one have
recourse to such primitive trickery if great quantities of unimpeachable evidence are
available?

The argument "But I saw it myself in the movies and on television" can only be the
product of a very feeble mind. All the films of the genocide of the Jews, from
Holocaust to Shoa to Schindler's List, were produced long after the war; that they lack
any probative value is a matter of course. It's no accident that a miserable botch job
like Schindler's List was cooked up in black-and-white. This was done to create a
false impression of authenticity for historically naive cinema-goers.




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"I describe incidents which may or may not have happened but which are true."
- Elie Wiesel source

The Holocaust is only "True" when you change the definition of the word itself

Onslaught of truth for those who are open-minded:


















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So, I'm going to post this. It is relevant (so mods, do not delete, as it does show some arguments). Again, this post is relevant to the rest of the thread. Why would I troll my own thread?

Anyway:

Also, another thought:
Random people online you've never met:

-"I'm 300 pounds and I can bench 500 pounds"
-"okay, that makes sense."
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-"I'm 215 pounds, and I can bench 500 pounds"
-"Impossible!"




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Quote: from kidd rune at 4:18 am on July 17, 2012

"I describe incidents which may or may not have happened but which are true."
- Elie Wiesel source

The Holocaust is only "True" when you change the definition of the word itself

Onslaught of truth for those who are open-minded:



















lol you should check your sources.
I could say a lot about all of these.
Oh and,
Hoss never sent a letter...

References:
Alc Ahme, 1955
Adventure Art inc, 1955
History of Truths, Amped Attik , 1955

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Sad that WH cannot give one single name of one single Jew, with proof, that was gassed in a magical holyhoax gas chamber.

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Quote: from kidd rune at 3:05 am on July 18, 2012

Sad that WH cannot give one single name of one single Jew, with proof, that was gassed in a magical holyhoax gas chamber.

I don't know names of dead people that have died about 70 years ago.

= I don't really comprehend what you actually want me to prove.

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You see KR, when you ask for things like evidence from trolls, they will just say that evidence doesn't matter and post videos that only go to prove your point KR.

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Quote: from lollerwhat at 3:41 am on July 18, 2012

You see KR, when you ask for things like evidence from trolls, they will just say that evidence doesn't matter and post videos that only go to prove your point KR.

Yeah, nice try. You are the one trolling.
I just replied to his message.
Where you come in is beyond me.

Also, how does anything that I post prove his point?

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