So Hitler cannot tell that hardworking German Jews who were WWI Vets had nothing at all against Non Jewish Germans? He couldn't tell the difference between a Jewish banker and a 5 year old child who could only speak German? He couldn't tell the difference between a simple housewife and a politician? Doesn't sound like a very bright bulb.
Essentially you are justifying collective punishment rather than selective sanctions and ethnic cleansing rather than rewarding integration. Sounds pretty stupid and counterproductive really.
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There were thousands of Jews that helped fight in Hitler's army for the Nazi cause. I feel like some Jews would be allowed to stay if they proved to be a good influence on the Reich. The fact of the matter is that there was no rational reason whatsoever to trust the Jews and they could have had a great, productive life elsewhere, why did it have to be Germany? Why did they have to live amongst the German people with the ability to exercise political strength that could potentially be used to benefit Jews instead of Germans? Why should the Germans have been forced to live with Jews if they didn't want to?
Also how was it counterproductive to remove the Jews? It seemed the Germany had a literal economic MIRACLE after they got rid of the Jews. Also your quote is lol: "They were socially integrated and participated in German intellectual, cultural, economic, and political life."
Funny how the Jews that often influenced German intellectual, cultural, economic, and political life were NOT "integrated" and certainly did so with the goal of improving the lives of Jews at the expense of Germans.
Post edited at 5:47 pm on July 23, 2012 by kidd rune
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It was counterproductive to remove ALL Jews if one truly wanted to reward Jewish assimilation into German society and German patriotism among Jews. It is counterproductive to isolate ALL Jews from the rest of society and not even attempt to educate Jewish children into full German culture and patriotism instead of herding them all into cattle wagons with their parents in a camp where they are even less likely to learn the German way of life (actually that would be the German way of death).
But of course if you see them all as vermin to be exterminated then it is easier to kill them all including the children and forget about them all, right?
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Why would Hitler want Jews in Germany at all? They proved that they often had a tendency to negatively effect the Germans, so why should he have even given them a chance? What could he have gained from it? What benefit was there to have a 1/2% Jewish population instead of a 0% Jewish population?
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As for the German economic thing it was not because they got rid of Jews. It is because they invested all into war and war machines and we all know that war is good for business...
BTW Krupp and even IG Farben got a lot of their patents and discoveries and innovations thanks to Jews (before they left)
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As for the German economic thing it was not because they got rid of Jews. It is because they invested all into war and war machines and we all know that war is good for business...
Laughable, Germany had a boom in culture and the arts as well. In pretty much everything Germany had a boom, and improvement. The entire morale of the nation went from shitty (with the highest suicide rate of any European nation) to great, Germany was on its way to becoming the most powerful European nation. Famous American economist John Kenneth Galbraith pointed out that it involved "large scale borrowing for public expenditures, and at first this was principally for civilian work -- railroads, canals and the Autobahnen. The result was a far more effective attack on unemployment than in any other industrial country" He also said that "By late 1935unemployment was at an end in Germany. By 1936 high income was pulling up prices or making it possible to raise them... Germany, by the late thirties, had full employment at stable prices. It was, in the industrial world, an absolutely unique achievement." Whatever Hitler did worked! What a genuis! Looks like they didn't need Jews after all, once they got rid of them Germany improved in pretty much every possible way!
BTW Krupp and even IG Farben got a lot of their patents and discoveries and innovations thanks to Jews (before they left)
Doesn't actually answer the question, nobody said that every Jew in Germany was pure evil shit, nobody ever said that ever Jew is pure shit - nobody. Not even Hitler. However that doesn't answer the question - how was Germany better off with less than 1% of the population Jewish than 0% of the population Jewish, keeping in mind all of the negative effects they got from this small portion of the population?
Post edited at 6:08 pm on July 23, 2012 by kidd rune
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He was a "genius" because of Volkswagen and the Autobahn? Wow. Pretty pathetic
If Germany had kept Einstein in Germany, Bohr in Denmark, the Warburg brothers at Krupps and IG Farben and all the top Jewish scientists and engineers in Bayer, Siemens, Bose and other firms the Wunderwirtshaft of the 1960s could have occured in the 1940s and 1950s and Germany would have truly been a great economic and scientific power as it already was in the 1910s and 1920s and 1930s thanks to true Jewish geniuses.
But no. Nazis had to go on that insane rampage to wipe out all Jews from Europe instead of working WITH them as scientists and engineers did the US.
No wonder the US DID BECOME A WORLD POWER thanks to all the JEWISH nuclear scientists, engineers and doctors in medicine geniuses it got from Germany!
Thanks Hitler! You did the US a great favor!
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He was a "genius" because of Volkswagen and the Autobahn? Wow. Pretty pathetic
Nice job being unable to read; Germany produced an economic miracle that has yet to be rivaled today. It was much much much more than the Volkswagen and Autobahn - it was a massive improvement in living standards and production and he put millions of Germans back into work. Germany had the highest suicide rate prior to Hitler coming into power becuase of the poor shape it was in, and Hitler turned it around and he was greatly loved for it.
If Germany had kept Einstein in Germany, Bohr in Denmark, the Warburg brothers at Krupps and IG Farben and all the top Jewish scientists and engineers in Bayer, Siemens, Bose and other firms the Wunderwirtshaft of the 1960s could have occured in the 1940s and 1950s and Germany would have truly been a great economic and scientific power as it already was in the 1910s and 1920s and 1930s thanks to true Jewish geniuses.
Germany had a great boom in cultural life after he got the Jews out of their dominant cultural positions such as with art, literature, and movies. They were exploiting these positions to spread decadence and immorality amongst the German people much like they do in today's society in America. Compare the degenerate culture of today to how Americans acted half way through the 20th century and you'll see what I'm talking about.
But no. Nazis had to go on that insane rampage to wipe out all Jews from Europe instead of working WITH them as scientists and engineers did the US.
No wonder the US DID BECOME A WORLD POWER thanks to all the JEWISH nuclear scientists, engineers and doctors in medicine geniuses it got from Germany!
Thanks Hitler! You did the US a great favor!
The Germans had plenty of scientific developments after removing the Jews.; If the US should thank anyone they should thank Wernher von Braun for being the major component in the space program. The Nazi scientists clearly didn't need the Jews as they had plenty of advanced technology.
But really those in the former Soviet Union were wishing they had a Hitler or a final solution, they were killed by the 10s of millions by Jewish communist butchers. Germany would have likely been next if Hitler didn't come to power, the people were ripe for revolution and the Jewish communists were at work in Germany trying to corrupt and subvert and open the doors to the German's own slaughter. Hitler was very anti-Communist and this was heavily linked to his anti-Jewish beliefs because the two were largely interchangeable at that time because Jews were so incredibly disproportionate in the communist movement. Hitler saved Germany, he provided a high standard of living for 6 years until war was forced on him, without him Germany would have collapsed and nobody would have given a shit - especially not the German Jews who would have simply just moved on to their next target.
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Yes that's true they had Mengele. Now THAT was a genius no doubt. More of a genius than James Holmes but just as murderous.
As for Russia well clearly they were not as efficient killing machines as the Nazis that's for sure. When it comes to designing top killing systems designed for mass murder Nazis did have it down to a science and a high degree of technology
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Oh the lies about Mengele, laugahble, I don't know if there's another Nazi that has more bullshit about him than Mengele save for Hitler or Himmler...
What top killing systems did the Nazis make with a "high degree of technology"? Please list them.
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You mean Mengele was NOT a genius? Ok if you say so...
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I don't know about Mengele's genius but you called him a murderer yet gave absolutely no justification for such a claim.
Funny how you also refuse to justify your claim that the Nazis created "top killing systems designed for mass murder" with "a high degree of technology" - I can only assume you meant the alleged gas chambers, yet they do not fit such a description at all.
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Oh I am sorry of course Mengele never killed anyone. He just performed castration on teens and used children as live experiments using chemicals and tortured others. I mean he was so gentle and lovable he gave them candy before torturing his "patients!" What a great humanitarian!
You know you criticize Swampig as a denier but you are the true master denier when it comes to anything the Nazis have done. Hearing you Nazis are basically saints and innocents and Jews are evil on earth. The truth my friend is in between (everyone has committed horrific war crimes) but you couldn't find the truth if it was buried up your ass...
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I'm sorry that I don't eat up any propaganda if it has the "Holocaust" stamp of approval.
Of course Mengele did actually keep notes of his experiments but some Jew bought them up and has refused to release the information. How convenient, we cannot actually prove that he did what he allegedly did, but we should just unconditionally believe anything the eyewitnesses said without even considering the fact that they might be full of shit.
Dr. Nyiszli, his alleged assistant, actually talks of Mengele's "experiments" in order TO SAVE lives. But of course his testimony cannot be believed because it doesn't have the holohoax stamp of approval because it doesn't assert that the Nazis are evil. Mengele himself claimed that he did not do such experiments and claimed that he could prove it, but of course he's the devil incarnate we cannot believe anything he says, and his "Proof" would just be evil Nazi propaganda.
Once again we cannot forget the golden rule: Jews cannot lie, under any circumstance, ever. Nationally syndicated columnist Jeffrey Hart in the Washington times even admitted that
As a professional historian, I would urge some caution about many of the anecdotes that are being routinely accepted as fact... My own historical hunch is that much of this kind of thing is mythology, concocted as a kind of metaphor... I doubt the story that he killed a women by crushing her throat with his boot. It will be a long time before scholars sift the fact from the fiction about Mengele.
According to the "Evaluation of SS Captain Dr. Josef Mengele," August 19, 1944, prepared by the Auschwitz SS Physician's Office:
Dr. Mengele has an open, honest, solid character. He is absolutely reliable, upright and straightforward. He does not manifest any weakness of character, bad tendencies or cravings. His emotional and physical make-up is outstanding.
During his period of service at the Auschwitz concentration camp, he applied his practical and theoretical knowledge to combating severe epidemics. With prudence and persistent energy, and often under the most difficult conditions, he completed every assigned task to the complete satisfaction of his superiors. He showed himself capable of handling any situation. In addition, he used what little free time he had to ardently further his education as an anthropologist.
His tactful and modest deportment is that of a good soldier. Because of his demeanor, he is especially well liked by his comrades. He treats subordinates with absolute fairness and requisite severity, but is nevertheless exceptionally admired and liked.
In his behavior, work record and attitude, Dr. Mengele shows an absolutely solid and mature outlook on life. He is a Catholic. His speaking manner is spontaneous, uninhibited, convincing and lively.
During the final years of his life Mengele lived with an Austrian couple, Wolfram and Liselotte Bossert, at their Brazilian farm, and they had nothing negative to say about him, commenting on his great intelligence and personal drive, admitting that "I admire him as a person for his many good qualities, not for what he committed. And even today there's doubt as to whether that's really true."
A long time friend Hans Sedlmeier told a reporter: "I could tell you what Mengele did, what he did during Auschwitz, what he did after Auschwitz, but you wouldn't believe me. The newspapers won't print the truth, because it's not in the interest of the Jews.... I refuse to talk about the Mengele affair. Journalists have already written so many lies, and what the Jewish press has asserted..."
Also laughable that you think I believe that the Nazis are pure and innocent, really shows how little you actually read my posts. I admit shamelessly that the Nazis had their faults just like the rest of the world, they are no special saints, but to pretend they are the complete scum of the earth, that they are pure evil, is pathetically false. But unless you believe all the propaganda spewed by the Jewish liars then you're an evil Nazi racist and you clearly just want to kill 6 billion Jews.
Post edited at 1:36 am on July 25, 2012 by kidd rune
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Oh I see. So long as it comes from the testimonies of Jews then it MUST be a lie and you are ready to reject it completely.
Of course that is the best way to keep the Nazi flame intact and sing lalalala while covering your ears and and eyes from the Jewish "infection." Never mind of course that many of the testimonies and evidence against Mengele also came from Non Jews. Never mind that non Jewish German citizens were also victims of torture. Never mind that the Holocaust did not just affect Jews but millions of non Jews.
Nazi fanatism is a beautiful thing. You would make Himmler proud.
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