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| 90-100% nurture (very strong environmentalism) |
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| 60-90% nurture (strong environmentalism) |
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| 40-60% each (weak environmentalism) |
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| 60-90% nature (strong hereditarianism) |
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| 90-100% nature (very strong hereditarianism) |
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( kidd rune )
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What do you think is the major cause of the Black-White IQ gap in the USA?
Is it mostly nurture (culture, socioeconomic status, etc)?
Is it mostly nature (genetics)?
About equal?  The Black IQ is roughly 85 and the White IQ is roughly 100, and this has remained stable for decades. What is the cause?
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Nurture determined by nature
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Quote: from Heraclitus at 4:28 pm on July 21, 2012
 Nurture determined by nature
You mean the behaviors and traits of Blacks caused by their genes produces an environment that lowers their IQ?
And with the same environment the average IQ would be identical? Post edited at 1:32 pm on July 21, 2012 by kidd rune
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85% nurture but in a more complicated sense than what family, town, or setting you're in. Something much deeper.
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Quote: from iconoclast at 4:33 pm on July 21, 2012
85% nurture but in a more complicated sense than what family, town, or setting you're in. Something much deeper.
Please explain.
Why do Blacks with more White ancestry have higher IQs? Even if socially they are considered Blacks?
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Quote: from Heraclitus at 4:35 pm on July 21, 2012
Quote: from kidd rune at 1:29 pm on July 21, 2012
Quote: from Heraclitus at 4:28 pm on July 21, 2012
Nurture determined by nature
You mean the behaviors and traits of Blacks caused by their genes produces an environment that lowers their IQ?
And with the same environment the average IQ would be identical?
That's what I said, isn't it?
I just wanted clarification.
Now how exactly does this happen? Can you explain the mechanism?
If Blacks have different genetically-based behavioral traits why is it so hard to believe that they have different genetically-based intellectual traits?
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like i said, its complicated. and i cbf but our science isnt developed enough to study 'soft science' subjects like this objectively.
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Quote: from iconoclast at 4:36 pm on July 21, 2012
like i said, its complicated. and i cbf but our science isnt developed enough to study 'soft science' subjects like this objectively.
How do you explain the brain/intelligence enhancing genes we've found that Blacks lack?
Or the other genes Blacks have more/less of that negatively influence their intelligence?
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genes are poorly understood. we understand 'links' but there could be 512 "Z factors" because we dont know how everything is interconnected and how it does what it does exactly
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example: theyve found schizophrenia and depression genes, so they claim that mental illness is a genetic disease. but since rarely are people born with it or just develop it suddenly and there almost always are subtle influence when you get an innovative psychologist who really digs in, its more likely that those genes influence creativity, sensitivity, and perception. all which might negatively interact with the environment that exists today and snowball
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Quote: from iconoclast at 4:40 pm on July 21, 2012
genes are poorly understood. we understand 'links' but there could be 512 "Z factors" because we dont know how everything is interconnected and how it does what it does exactly
So basically you're saying we have no irrefutible evidence that Blacks have genetically-based lower IQ's and thus it's irrational to believe it, despite not one shred of evidence suggesting otherwise?
Why is it so hard to believe that Blacks are less intelligent because of hereditary reasons? There's no such thing as a perfect study and to pretend that we cannot make any conclusions until we have one is simply irrational.
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Quote: from kidd rune at 5:59 pm on July 21, 2012
Quote: from Heraclitus at 4:28 pm on July 21, 2012
Nurture determined by nature
You mean the behaviors and traits of Blacks caused by their genes produces an environment that lowers their IQ?
And with the same environment the IQ would be identical?
At the current rate in america it doesnt really matter. stupid people reproduce more than smart people. white, black, it doesnt matter.
You're just seeing the demonstration of a negative cultural aspect: the stupid people are too stupid or too traditionally ingrained to not reproduce. The key problem is that it's happening to blacks a little bit faster. Why else do you think there are so many black christians?
Let's not forget that the IQ can be distinctly manipulated by conditions one is raised in. If you live in abject squalor and are not in a particularly enriching environment, you're gonna suffer. If you are lucky enough to have an enriching environment, then you have a decent advantage.
The phenomenon thus described kind of shows your graph (which you should have cited a source, we shouldn't be expected to scour your goddamn posts for your sources) to be misguided at best.
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