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I'm anti-Gay Pride
Replies: 11Last Post Aug. 15, 2012 9:48am by cfrietchen
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I am not straight. However, I'm against gay pride. This causes confusion, among many people I tell about it. And I just want to explain WHY I'm against it.

It's not because I'm ashamed of who I am. I'm definitely not. I'm very liberal and I want gay marriage to be legal. I'm not a closet homophobic gay guy. I'm just not proud of something that isn't my doing, or my accomplishment. I'm just like this. It's no reason to be happy, or sad. It's just who I am. I'm also against black, white, hispanic, asian, etc pride because it promotes racism. I'm not asking anyone to be ashamed of themselves, I'm just wondering why being just another person (race, sexuality, etc included) gives someone a reason to be proud?

You're gay? What do you have to be proud of? The fact that you like guys? So do heterosexual women, but there's no "straight female parade". To me, gay pride just makes it look like gay people want to stand out instead of fit in. Which is the opposite of the point, isn't it? The point is to have equal rights, and be considered the same as everyone else despite your sexuality, yet you literally parade around to establish it? It just doesn't add up to me. It makes gays in general seem full of themselves. The same goes with every type of racial or sexual pride. There's no good reason for it.

What is your opinion? Do you believe that there is any value in "pride" about a certain part of yourself? Or do you agree that pride about such a little thing simply makes you seem conceited?


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I agree with you 100%.  Rubbing it in everybody's faces that you're gay gives the rest of the gay/bi people a bad name.  I keep it to myself.  Only my close friends know i'm bi, and most ppl just think i'm straight and I like it that way.

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Pride is about who you are as a person.

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It's up to the gay person to announce his gayness to everyone that he meets.  Otherwise, the gays cease to be able to find one another.

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Quote: from Lyrical Death at 3:35 pm on Aug. 8, 2012

It's up to the gay person to announce his gayness to everyone that he meets. Otherwise, the gays cease to be able to find one another.

Ah. That's why I wear a necklace of the two male symbols together with one female. To let people know that I'm bi. It's much easier than marching.


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Quote: from Moomoomilk at 3:39 pm on Aug. 8, 2012

Quote: from Lyrical Death at 3:35 pm on Aug. 8, 2012

It's up to the gay person to announce his gayness to everyone that he meets.  Otherwise, the gays cease to be able to find one another.

Ah. That's why I wear a necklace of the two male symbols together with one female. To let people know that I'm bi. It's much easier than marching.


That works too.  I just wear my thong up high and my pants down low.

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I think that LGBTQ pride makes an enormous amount of sense when you consider the cultural context that it emerged from and its ongoing goals within that context: to establish a visible and supporting community for individuals who feel isolated, marginalized, and inferior (or even disgusting/wicked/evil/abhorrent). Sexual minorities are unique from racial minorities in their invisibility, and pride events combat the explicit and implicit negative effects that a heternormative culture can have on queer persons.

It is, then, similarly understandable that many people fail to relate to gay pride. I would imagine that both many people who have not felt isolation and denigration for the sexuality and a substantial amount who have don't relate to the need for queer persons in a community to make themselves visible and affirm their identities in a positive context. But for many people, both in the past and the present, such a culture provides an absolutely necessary support to help overcome overwhelming, deeply-ingrained prejudice.

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Quote: from naziZOMBI3 at 3:34 pm on Aug. 8, 2012

Only my close friends know i'm bi, and most ppl just think i'm straight and I like it that way.

It's the exact same with me. If someone asks, I tell them. Though they rarely ask because I'm not an annoying flamer that gives gay/bi people a bad name.

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A few gays I know aren't pro-pride either, because in some ways it has become out-of-touch with the issues it was originally started to protest about.

That's what the origins of it were. The Stonewall Inn was raided by police, and the first Pride movements were made almost as a riot protesting against it.

From my experience, there aren't many efforts made to address current gay issues at modern pride events. But then again I guess with equality being more "mainstream", issues like gay marriage have become more of a general campaigning thing than just a gay thing.

But I still think it's rather sentimental to remember where our modern rights have come from. The gay martyrs who have given so much to allow us the freedoms we have today.

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I'm proud of my sexuality because of the hardships I've endured because of it, that I have pulled through. They have shaped me. I imagine some homosexuals feel the same way about things that they've had to deal with.

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Quote: from allsmiles at 12:04 am on Aug. 9, 2012

I'm proud of my sexuality because of the hardships I've endured because of it, that I have pulled through. They have shaped me. I imagine some homosexuals feel the same way about things that they've had to deal with.

Definitely :)

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I never thought about gay pride like this... good point.

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