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Racial differentiation for different hereditary traits
Replies: 37Last Post Aug. 15, 2012 8:52pm by kidd rune
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Often times people claim that race (human subspecies) is only skin color or physical differences, that there are no important or significant mental/cognitive or behavioral differences. A study by Dong-Dong Wu and Ya-Ping Zhang calls such silly beliefs into question.

http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2148/11/16
The most significant part of this study is figure 1:
"Figure 1 summarizes the biological processes that are enriched with higher FST SNPs with a significant P value of 10-10 or lower (see Method), and their λ values, with λ being the ratio of the proportion of higher FST SNPs (≥0.6) in the analyzed category to the proportion of higher FST SNPs in genome-wide genes (which is 0.0049). The categories listed in Figure 1 include a large number involved with organ development, such as those involved in pancreas, lung, and heart development."
FST = Fixation index, a measure of population differentiation
SNP = Single-nucleotide polymorphism, a DNA sequence variation

In layman's terms, the longer the bar, the more differentiation between populations - the shorter the bar, the less differentiation between populations on the trait. Here's figure 1:

http://biomedcentral.com/content/figures/1471-2148-11-16-1-l.jpg

Pigmentation is roughly in the middle, which refers to skin color, which is what egalitarians/liberals generally define race as. However, above pigmentation are the more significant and relevant traits that correspond to racial groups. I'll list some significant ones:
- Pituitary gland development
- Dorosventral neural tube patterning
- Hindbrain development
- Positive regulation of neuron differentiation
- Developmental growth
- Neuron development

All of these have something to do with growth, behavior, or cognition. In other words, these traits more aptly describe or predict race than "skin color" does. But of course applying one specific trait to race is ridiculous because everyone who has studied anything about race knows that race is a COLLECTION of countless traits, not one single trait like "skin color". But this really puts into question the silly belief that there are no possible racial differences in growth, behavior, or cognition. In fact it should be assumed that there are until proven otherwise, and so far the evidence has suggested that there are significant, measurable, and meaningful differences with these traits.


When will liberals/egalitarians learn?

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Oh thank you for this wonderful information. Have a nice day.

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differences in SNPs are observed between different populations in general. for example there are mutations with higher prevalence in scandinavian people than in eastern europeans.

so if you're using this to argue that blacks are a different species or subspecies then it's fucking pointless because you might as well say northern europeans are different from asians.


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Quote: from polio at 7:22 pm on Aug. 11, 2012

differences in SNPs are observed between different populations in general. for example there are mutations with higher prevalence in scandinavian people than in eastern europeans.
And they are different subgroups within the Caucasoid race, to pretend that they are not [sub-]racially different is irrational. However it's logical to think that although there are differences between Scandinavians and Slavs, the differences between them are not nearly as large as the differences between Whites and Blacks.


so if you're using this to argue that blacks are a different species or subspecies then it's fucking pointless because you might as well say northern europeans are different from asians.
This should not be used to argue that Whites and Blacks are a different species, however that argument is relatively easy to make without the information in the OP at all. Why exactly do you believe they should be considered the same species?
Also Northern Euros are different from Asians, what's your point?

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Also Northern Euros are different from Asians, what's your point?
that was my point, that they're different. this is not new radical evidence, there have ALWAYS been these sorts of genetic and hereditary differences in people of different origin. it doesn't make them a difference species.

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KR, are you always looking to argue with people?

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Quote: from polio at 7:37 pm on Aug. 11, 2012


Also Northern Euros are different from Asians, what's your point?
that was my point, that they're different. this is not new radical evidence, there have ALWAYS been these sorts of genetic and hereditary differences in people of different origin. it doesn't make them a difference species.

Where the hell are you getting this different species idea from? I didn't say anything about separate species in this thread.
Yeah, genetic differences does not automatically make groups into different species, nobody ever said that, but after a certain genetic distance it is rational to consider two different populations into different species. I'm wondering why you consider Whites and Blacks the same species while they are more genetically distant from each other than humans are to homo erectus and neanderthals, as well as 2 separate chimpanzee and gorilla species are to each other. Or do humans get a special classification system with lower standards that no other organisms do?

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Quote: from Run with the wolves at 7:44 pm on Aug. 11, 2012

KR, are you always looking to argue with people?
No, it'd be much simpler if people looked at the facts and evidence I present and accept that I have the truth in most cases, but since I almost always talk about controversial and emotionally-loaded subjects it's eminent.

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Quote: from kidd rune at 5:24 pm on Aug. 11, 2012

Quote: from Run with the wolves at 7:44 pm on Aug. 11, 2012

KR, are you always looking to argue with people?
No, it'd be much simpler if people looked at the facts and evidence I present and accept that I have the truth in most cases, but since I almost always talk about controversial and emotionally-loaded subjects it's eminent.

Quote: from kidd rune at 5:23 pm on Aug. 11, 2012


Quote: from polio at 7:37 pm on Aug. 11, 2012


Also Northern Euros are different from Asians, what's your point?
that was my point, that they're different. this is not new radical evidence, there have ALWAYS been these sorts of genetic and hereditary differences in people of different origin. it doesn't make them a difference species.

Where the hell are you getting this different species idea from? I didn't say anything about separate species in this thread... it is rational to consider two different populations into different species. I'm wondering why you consider Whites and Blacks the same species...

You just contradicted yourself.

You are arguing that they aren't the same species.

Homo sapiens are homo sapiens regardless of ethnicity, origin, etc.


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i'm confused are you people arguing about if black and white people have more in common with apes than each other

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Quote: from h8meiwld at 1:43 am on Aug. 12, 2012

i'm confused are you people arguing about if black and white people have more in common with apes than each other
kidd rune is, because a racist bigot like himself is eager to prove that black people are worth less than white people.

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Quote: from polio at 5:55 pm on Aug. 11, 2012

Quote: from h8meiwld at 1:43 am on Aug. 12, 2012

i'm confused are you people arguing about if black and white people have more in common with apes than each other
kidd rune is, because a racist bigot like himself is eager to prove that black people are worth less than white people.

what the.... how did you get THAT from this thread?

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Quote: from Ice318 at 6:03 pm on Aug. 11, 2012

Quote: from polio at 5:55 pm on Aug. 11, 2012

Quote: from h8meiwld at 1:43 am on Aug. 12, 2012

i'm confused are you people arguing about if black and white people have more in common with apes than each other
kidd rune is, because a racist bigot like himself is eager to prove that black people are worth less than white people.

 

what the.... how did you get THAT from this thread?


Not just from this thread. By looking at every other post KR has made.

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thanks for the info i guess

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