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Judge says religious couple's brain-damaged baby can be allowed to die
Replies: 28Last Post Aug. 2, 2012 2:43pm by polio
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Quote: from polio at 12:23 pm on Aug. 2, 2012

Quote: from anger18 at 8:11 pm on Aug. 2, 2012

Quote: from polio at 11:51 am on Aug. 2, 2012

Quote: from Intelligens at 7:49 pm on Aug. 2, 2012

Quote: from JennyColada at 11:44 am on Aug. 2, 2012

If they want to pay for it then I'm confused with why a judge would get involved.

 It isn't a mere question of money in this instance though. The existence of this child to further continue is an inquiry of moral as well.


Precisely. I think the judges decision rested on the fact that this person was in a coma, they had NO life at all, no possibility to live or interact with anyone or even sense their surroundings.


and what? Coma = Death? No. Comas are most often temporary. Humans can also be revived from comas through medicine.

actually that's just not true.  

comas can be temporary, but a lot of the times there is uncertainty, and when doctors say there is no chance and that ventilation should be withdrawn they're not saying that because they like killing people.  

if anything brings back people from comas it's not medicine, there aren't really any drugs that 'revive' people from comas else they would have done that already. there is almost a zero chance that this person will ever come back from the coma.



Okay what about Ambien?
Ambien has been shown to have a reverse effect on people in comas.. it has brought people out of comas..
and although it might be slightly biased, I've found doctors are often wrong. Countless times I've found my GP taking wild guesses, my GP once told me that I have diabetes due to my diet.  

In 2002* my uncle crashed into a road sign while drink driving, he was in a coma for 10 years, the whole time the doctors told my family he had no chance of recovery yet my family refused to take away life support and guess what, he recovered. I have a passionate hate against doctors.

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I don't think you understand.

severely brain-damaged baby boy
his brain is fucked, he's never going to come back.

this isn't someone going into an unexplained coma, he has severe damage to his brain that would make any sort of recovery or cognitive thought next to impossible.


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Quote: from polio at 12:35 pm on Aug. 2, 2012

I don't think you understand.

severely brain-damaged baby boy
his brain is fucked, he's never going to come back.

this isn't someone going into an unexplained coma, he has severe damage to his brain that would make any sort of recovery or cognitive thought next to impossible.



Okay, guilty of not clicking the link. I only read what you quoted. If the baby is in fact severely brain damaged to an extent that it cannot live a normal life, I would personally discontinue life support. However I believe it is up to the parents to do so and not the right of any judge to make that decision on behalf of the parents. What entitles a judge to make the decision over the parents? A college degree? Knowledge of the law? ten years of experience as a solicitor? Ridiculous.

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What entitles a judge to make the decision over the parents?
the judge mediated the issue, because the DOCTORS who had years of clinical experience thought it was best, and there needed to be a legal decision to allow the doctors to proceed.

moreover the law very much does matter when this decision is at the expense of the taxpayer. it would cost an immense amount of money to keep this child alive for what reason? when there is no chance of recovery?


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Quote: from polio at 12:58 pm on Aug. 2, 2012


What entitles a judge to make the decision over the parents?
the judge mediated the issue, because the DOCTORS who had years of clinical experience thought it was best, and there needed to be a legal decision to allow the doctors to proceed.

moreover the law very much does matter when this decision is at the expense of the taxpayer. it would cost an immense amount of money to keep this child alive for what reason? when there is no chance of recovery?



Yes it does very much matter when the taxpayer is involved. Surely the taxpayer's money cannot go to better use than to keep a child alive.
Do you realize that the majority of hospital beds are taken up by overdosing alcoholics and opiate overdoses -- all at taxpayers expense..
Sure, let's throw this brain-damaged "fucked"(your words) baby in the recycle bin because it costs tax payers money. Because of course, alcoholics and heroin addicts deserve a second chance in life and need treatment.  

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Because of course, alcoholics and heroin addicts deserve a second chance in life and need treatment.  
those people can still carry on with their lives though and live.

this baby can never live or do anything at all. they'll be lying in bed until they die of other reasons. that is not 'living'.


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People need to educate themselves on how the law and medicine interact and work together.

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Quote: from ChemicEmotions at 9:24 pm on Aug. 2, 2012

People need to educate themselves on how the law and medicine interact and work together.
i think they prefer to post their moral outrage on internet forums.

one can hope though.


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Quote: from polio at 1:22 pm on Aug. 2, 2012


Because of course, alcoholics and heroin addicts deserve a second chance in life and need treatment.
those people can still carry on with their lives though and live.

this baby can never live or do anything at all. they'll be lying in bed until they die of other reasons. that is not 'living'.



A worthless drug addict is always a worthless drug addict. I am friends (through family) with the head nurse at my local hospital and she told me herself that she wishes she could give all of the drug addicts the "golden shot" herself. A baby, regardless of condition, is indefinitely and irrefutably always of more importance than a drug addict. Your logic is the problem. If a mother was in labor and it was known that her baby would be born with a condition (autism, down syndrome, etc), would you deny her a bed in favor of an overdosing heroin addict? Simply because her baby would be born with a condition and would not be able to "live a normal life" in your sense of the definition of a "normal life"?

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Quote: from ChemicEmotions at 1:24 pm on Aug. 2, 2012

People need to educate themselves on how the law and medicine interact and work together.

yes because a bisxeual female teenager who goes by the name of "ChemicEmotions" knows all about the law and medicine, and let me guess, all about life?

Suck the chemical semen out of my physical dick you dysgenic piece of inbred shit.


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Quote: from ChemicEmotions at 1:24 pm on Aug. 2, 2012

People need to educate themselves on how the law and medicine interact and work together.

yes because a bisxeual female teenager who goes by the name of "ChemicEmotions" knows all about the law and medicine, and let me guess, all about life?

Suck the chemical semen out of my physical dick you dysgenic piece of inbred shit.


Lol I'm not a teenager, but thanks for playing.

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A worthless drug addict is always a worthless drug addict.
this kind of negative and moronic attitude is exactly what prevents governments like the USA from trying to help and treat addicts so that they recover and integrate into society instead of throwing them into prison.

you're a stupid fuck that clearly has no idea about the real issues surrounding drug users. go lick a light bulb.


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so disappointing.

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