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What is life other than a blob of cells?

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There are many entities which are genetically complete, which contain all 46 human chromosomes. I DEMAND GOVERNMENT PROTECTION NOW for dead people, blood samples, hair cuttings, fingernail clippings, and skin cultures grown in burn centers.

I hope the next person who buries their dead falls in the hole.

END THE KILLING NOW!

(Edited by lawrence at 9:35 pm on Dec. 13, 2005)

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"I am astonished by the audacity to tell such lies about me....I am, of course, and have always been an atheist."- Albert Einstein

And then abs comes and is all like "Woah man, I'm going to defend what I said by taking a portion of the argument and using sarcasm to defeat, ignoring that it's not a complete argument and was never intended to be."

Fun times.

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It is my deepest wish that we will one day escape our cradle.

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See what happened here. Lawrence used the same thing abs normally does by taking a portion of their argument and using sarcasm to defeat it, ignoring that it's not a complete argument and was never intended to be.  

And then abs comes and is all like "Woah man, I'm going to defend what I said by taking a portion of the argument and using sarcasm to defeat, ignoring that it's not a complete argument and was never intended to be."  

Fun times.

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Aren't people just so funny?  

(Edited by marvelous at 6:11 pm on Dec. 19, 2005)

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i'm a rainbow too.

The scope of life ranges from everything -- if our mind is only the interaction of particles, any interaction, including a ball that bounces when it hits the ground, is a response to stimulus -- to only the individual who makes such a statement (after all, it's I think, therefore I am.  I can't prove anyone else actually "thinks" and as such I can't prove that they are conscious or "alive").

In the end though, who really cares?  There's little debate whether, say, an embryo is alive, because plants and bacteria which are less complex are generally considered "alive," but there's also little debate whether killing plants is morally wrong.  

So I think life as a state of being is both undefinable and irrelevant.

(edit)  Argh HTML tags are the devil.

(Edited by telomere13 at 10:38 pm on Dec. 19, 2005)

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http://www.golivewire.com/forums/peer-yatapys-support-a.html

Heck one of them was a 'bio major'...

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¡Vive la República de Tejas! ¡Libertad de los Estados Unidos de América! ¡Recuerden el Liberty y lo que los zionistas le hicieron!

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Heh I've had plenty of retards attempt to tell me that an embryo or fetus isn't alive, but mearly a mass of stuff that 'becomes' alive...

Heck one of them was a 'bio major'...

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type your verbose my arse post here

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Lob sei Gott dem Vater g'tan,
Lob sei Gott sein'm ein'gen Sohn,
Lob sei Gott dem Heil'gen Geist
Immer und in Ewigkeit.

Every sperm is wanted.
Every sperm is good.
Every sperm is needed
in your neighbourhood."

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Are you there, Margaret? It's me, God.

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Quote: from abspwnsyou at 3:27 pm on Dec. 20, 2005

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Heh I've had plenty of retards attempt to tell me that an embryo or fetus isn't alive, but mearly a mass of stuff that 'becomes' alive...  

 Heck one of them was a 'bio major'...

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I'd like to see you provide a cogent definition of what constitutes "life" that we can all agree on.

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Hey don't ask Abs to define his position!!! Then he would have to defend it!


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"I am astonished by the audacity to tell such lies about me....I am, of course, and have always been an atheist."- Albert Einstein

So, if we consider existence the same as living (obviously we must be drawing this conclusion!), then knowledge of existence is integral to living, and then you have a natural fallacy.

Betrand Russel tried to explain life as being a response to stimulus.  But then it is concievable with ideals, to build a machine that could respond to stimulus.  And then you have to define a machine and whether or not the mechanical nature of it is what constitutes it as being a machine, or its process of being constructed, and then figure whether or not that parallels the mechanical nature of a human body and how it is "born".

But, running on Descartes example, it falls into naturalistic fallacy.  In the case of abortion, or euthanasia for people declared completely void of purposeful brain activity, other than functions for systemic survival, then it would follow that they do not exist because they have no conciousness of there existence. They have no essence before existence, and no life.  And then, you're forced to believe something that you know to be wrong, because it does not follow morality. The argument tries to draw on how it should be based solely on information and reasoning and not on fact.

And if you believe that life is response to stimulus, then you are on a slippery slope.  After questioning man and machine, you'll consider if animals could be classified as being human.  Is a person human?  Then you run back to the abortion and euthanasia of seriously ill people... because they can't respond to stimulus or think, are they alive?  Are they even persons?

I would LOVE to see someone actually find a good argument for what life is, without relying on a basic dictionary answer that does nothing to actually solve the moral dilemma.

Fetuses can dream very early in their existance.  Does this make them thinking beings?  

Here's a thought that just popped into my head.  What if one defined human life as something which follows the biological definition AND ALSO will be capable of contributing to society either now or in the future.

This still leaves 'brain dead' people out of the definition though.  it still includes fetuses, and excludes animals.  But one could concievably build a machine to do this...perhaps...

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write it on the walls and read it/
bright red so you can see it/
don't fail me now

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"Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

Every sperm is sacred.
Every sperm is great.
If a sperm is wasted,
God gets quite irate.

Let the heathen spill theirs
on the dusty ground.
God shall make them pay for
each sperm that can't be found.

Every sperm is wanted.
Every sperm is good.
Every sperm is needed
in your neighbourhood."

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Wow this cracked me up.

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tonight, let's just live.

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Quote: from quidam at 3:25 am on Jan. 1, 2006

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"Every sperm is sacred.  
 Every sperm is great.  
 If a sperm is wasted,  
 God gets quite irate.  

 Every sperm is sacred.  
 Every sperm is great.  
 If a sperm is wasted,  
 God gets quite irate.  

 Let the heathen spill theirs  
 on the dusty ground.  
 God shall make them pay for  
 each sperm that can't be found.  

 Every sperm is wanted.  
 Every sperm is good.  
 Every sperm is needed  
 in your neighbourhood."

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Wow this cracked me up.

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Quote: from nothingaslucky at 5:40 pm on Jan. 18, 2006

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Quote: from quidam at 3:25 am on Jan. 1, 2006

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"Every sperm is sacred.  
  Every sperm is great.  
  If a sperm is wasted,  
  God gets quite irate.  

  Every sperm is sacred.  
  Every sperm is great.  
  If a sperm is wasted,  
  God gets quite irate.  

  Let the heathen spill theirs  
  on the dusty ground.  
  God shall make them pay for  
  each sperm that can't be found.  

  Every sperm is wanted.  
  Every sperm is good.  
  Every sperm is needed  
  in your neighbourhood."

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 Wow this cracked me up.

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its by monty python in case you were unaware...

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I never really got into life of Bryan - Holy grail was a lot better.

but regardless- I've always hated that DAMN FUCKING SONG.........

But if we must quote Python songs....

Oh, I'm a lumberjack, and I'm okay,
I sleep all night and I work all day.

CHORUS:  He's a lumberjack, and he's okay,
        He sleeps all night and he works all day.

I cut down trees, I eat my lunch,
I go to the lava-try.
On Wednesdays I go shoppin'
And have buttered scones for tea.

Mounties: He cuts down trees, he eats his lunch,
         He goes to the lava-try.
         On Wednesdays 'e goes shoppin'
         And has buttered scones for tea.

CHORUS

I cut down trees, I skip and jump,
I like to press wild flowers.
I put on women's clothing,
And hang around in bars.

Mounties: He cuts down trees, he skips and jumps,
         He likes to press wild flowers.
         He puts on women's clothing
         And hangs around.... In bars???????

CHORUS

I chop down trees, I wear high heels,
Suspendies and a bra.
I wish I'd been a girlie
Just like my dear papa.

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The truth is what money can be made from a lie.