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Replies: 48Last Post Oct. 4, 2006 3:16pm by Cingular Wireless
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Why cant people come to figure out: PC's run more than windows....Linux runs on x86 architecture (standard PC)....others can run on x64 and still (fewer) run with Macs.

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Quote: from pleaseremove at 2:57 am on May 16, 2006

Quote: from bighead1991 at 10:34 am on May 16, 2006

I'm getting my Mac Mini withing two weeks, my Dad has been away for a month and is coming back at the end of the next week, and that week also happened to be my birthday, so with Mac Minis being alot cheaper in the US I am getting one.  

 I really want to experience a Mac, so I think a Mac Mini is the way to go :)


Don't forget the voltage difference.


the power adapter takes care of it....all of Apple's power bricks are internationally certified and automatically convert the voltage.....you just need the wall socket adapter..

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Quote: from floppyfree at 3:41 pm on May 18, 2006

Ok, Macs handle a virus outbreak a hell of alot better than Windoze

Key Isolation Features in Mac OS X

Aside from an awesome user interface and a great underlying architecture, Apple built OS X with security in mind.  As part of that central security theme, OS X has been designed using three key isolation features:

System Isolation
User Isolation
Memory and Application Isolation  
System isolation
System isolation is where by default, the inner core of the operating system is separate from users and other programs.  What this means is that users and programs cannot access the inner workings of OS X without the computer's administration password.  The administration password is assigned to the user who setup OS X on the machine, the so called Administrator.  When you purchase a new Mac, you are guided through a program called the "Setup Assistant" that creates an Administrator account and associated Administrator password.  In daily computing activities, users of OS X should use what is referred to as a "Normal" account, a less privileged user in OS X.  I will provide a write-up of the Setup Assistant in a future post.

An advantage of this System isolation design is that a Mac is inherently protected from malware, spyware, viruses, and potential intruders.  In February 2006, news hit the wires that alluded to the first Mac virus.  The media and those who didn't know better were quick to report that OS X was now vulnerable to the same problems that plague Windows.  The program relied on “social engineering”, a process where something is not self-propagating and requires help from the computer user in order for it to work.  The program required users to enter the Mac OS X administration password.  This mere fact demonstrated that the OS X architecture is safe because the program wasn't able to do anything on its own.  It's just common sense not to enter the administration password just because a program requests it.  This protection is in stark contrast to the Windows platform where a simple visit to a website or download can compromise the system.  In many cases, Windows users are unaware that a program has found its way into the computer without their consent.  Check out this great read outlining the major problems with Microsoft's Internet Explorer browser.

Windows users find that over time, their computer doesn't seem to run as fast as it did when it was brand new.  Why does this strange behavior occur?  The problem has its root in bad design.  The Windows System folder (directory) can become a dumping ground for junk left behind by programs and other things.  The OS X System folder (directory) does not suffer from this problem because programs can't access the OS X system level directories by default.  As a result, junk is not left behind by programs and other things.  There is also a difference with software installations between Windows and OS X.  With most Windows based programs, a user has the option to install the program in whatever directory/folder he or she chooses.  On a Mac, installed software ends up in the "Applications" directory (folder).  This "one place for all" implementation keeps OS X more secure, stable (crash resistant), organized, and helps the system run optimally.  If by chance an installed program needs to add system level support files in order to operate, those files do not go into the OS X System folder, instead they go into the "Library" folder.

There are actually three different locations of Library folders on OS X all under the Macintosh HD (hard drive):

/System/Library
/Library
/Users/<short name of user>/Library
The /System/Library holds essential inner and restricted files that OS X needs to operate

The /Library folder contains files available to ALL users and applications running on OS X.  For example, fonts and printer settings.  This folder can be modified by the Administrative user.  This is the folder where third-party software and applications place the support files that they need to operate.

The /Users/<short name of user> directory is discussed in the next section, User Isolation.  Note that unless you know what you're doing, do not alter the content in the Library folders.

 
 

Hence, system isolation is a key feature of Mac OS X that separates and protects the core of the operating system from applications and users.

 

User Isolation

Each user is separate from the other users in OS X as each user has a "Home" directory.  For example, is a system had the users "switchtoamac" and "getamac", the following Users directories would be created:

/Users/switchtoamac
/Users/getamac

As a result, the files created and stored by "switchtoamac" will be inaccessible by "getamac" and vice-versa.  A user's Home directory is only accessible by the user that is currently logged into OS X.  Note however, that in addition to accessing its own Home directory, the OS X Administrator can access the Home directory of each individual user on the system, but note that the Administrator will still have to type the password to get such access.  The administrator is not the so called "superuser", referred to as root.  A future post will describe the root user.  Each user's "Home" folder can store documents, files (including pictures, music, etc ..), settings, and program caches such as cached pages and cookies in Safari.  Some benefits of this implementation are easy backups, user experience, and customization.  Backups are a breeze.  If a user wants to back up their documents and settings, all they need to do is backup their Home folder.  Mac users can customize their computing experience as they see fit.  Each user's settings only apply to that specific user; other users will not be impacted.  An additional benefit is that users, to some degree, can customize how software will work under their account.

Each user also has his or her own Library directory.  The /Users/<short name of user>/Library is user specific.  This Library folder holds files and settings specific to and individual's preferences, recent items, web site bookmarks, Address Book entries, keychain, and so on.

Just about every Mac OS X application can be customized via each application's preferences settings.  Whenever a setting is altered, Mac OS X updates the application's preferences file.  These files are identified with a .plist extension.  When the application launches, OS X checks the preferences file to determine how to set the application for the user.  OS X maintains a separate preferences file for each application and each user.  For example, each user has his or her own plist file for Safari stored in the following area:

/Users/switchtoamac/Library/Preferences/com.apple.Safari.plist
/Users/getamac/Library/Preferences/com.apple.Safari.plist

User isolation is a great feature that Mac OS X uses to separates users from other users.

 

Memory and Application Isolation

Apple designed OS X to run applications in isolation.  There are two major benefits of this feature, Memory Management and Application Isolation.

The UNIX under pinnings of OS X provides a clean, modern, and efficient memory management system.  Mac OS X implements “Protected Memory”, a memory management feature that gives each running application its own unique space (chunk) in the computer's memory (RAM). The benefit of this implementation is that OS X prevents the sharing of memory between applications.  In other words, a particular running application cannot use the memory used by another running application and most importantly, an application cannot access the memory used by the operating system. This isolation provides an inherent crash-resistant safety feature to OS X because if an application becomes unstable, unresponsive, or it crashes, a Mac doesn't need to be restarted.  All that needs to happen is that the application is shutdown or terminated.  The benefit is that the operating system and other running applications will not be affected.  Windows users are accustomed to an application locking and having a domino effect on the entire system.  In many cases, Windows will stop working, the system will crash, or a reboot will be required.

Apple designed OS X to allow applications to be provided to OS X users as an application bundle (packaged unit) or packaged with an installer.  An application bundle contains all the essential files to allow the program to run.  This makes a bundled application's installation and removal a breeze.  All you do to install the program is drag the application's icon to the Applications directory (/Applications).  Each application will get its own folder/directory in the /Applications directory allowing each application to be isolated from the other applications in the /Applications directory.  To un-install the program, you grab the icon and drag it to the trash bin.

Some applications rely on an installer to install the program.  For example, Apple's Final Cut Pro software uses an installer to install the application.

By having all applications in the /Applications directory, additional benefits can be realized.  For example, you will be able to easily move your applications to a new Mac by using the OS X "Migration Assistant" or upgrade to a new version of OS X by using the "Archive and Install" option.

System Isolation, User Isolation, Memory and Application Isolation are key features that contribute to a more enjoyable experience for Mac OS X users.  For those interested in using the most modern, secure, and stable operating system available on the market, use a Mac.



all i read in that was the last line and i was happy.....

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Quote: from silentkiller at 8:27 pm on May 15, 2006

sow wich one do you think is better i have  a pc but i have some problems with it sometimes and i heard that macs  are really realible

damn sorry guys for mispelling MAC

(Edited by silentkiller at 11:27 pm on May 15, 2006)


yes, you heard it right... PC's are really pain on the neck... switch to MAC


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Disregarding that the long mac post looks like it was cut-and-paste, all the "features" mentioned are more part of *nix based OSes than Macs. Linux has all that, and as far as "user isolation" and permissions, that's been in Windows for ages.

As to post above mine... I've said this more times than I can count, a PC IS NOT WINDOWS. More importantly, as has been said several times already, a PC with similar specs to a Mac can be built for hundreds less.

I'm really, really, really, sick of Mac fanatics. Even Linux fanatics are better.

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Umm actulaly. Dell is MORE expensive than a Mac Pro now. BAHAHA

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Quote: from Cingular Wireless at 10:46 pm on Aug. 22, 2006

Umm actulaly. Dell is MORE expensive than a Mac Pro now. BAHAHA

Care to provide links?


btw, dell sucks, always has, always will.

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Of course Dell has more expensive computers then the Mac Pro.

Cingular Wireless = idiot.

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Cingular Wireless = idiot.

Sadly, its an inherent problem with mac fanboys.

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yeah right... mac's the best... windows is a piece of crap...

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Quote: from sydpao at 1:06 am on Sep. 30, 2006

yeah right... mac's the best... windows is a piece of crap...

How's that work?
Mac requires apple's hardware, which is overpriced.
Windows runs on both PCs and apple's hardware.

Mac is unix-based and can have a pretty interface. So's Linux, but Linux is much more customizable, free, and runs on almost any hardware. Not to mention that the vast majority of programs that can run on Mac also run under Linux.

Mac has very little game support. Windows has a great deal of game support. Linux also has quite a bit of game support between Wine and Cedega.

XP rarely crashes, it might have bugs, but what doesn't? Mac fanboys go on and on about BSOD, and when I hear that I have to wonder if they've ever used anything but the 9x kernels.

You get the idea.

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Quote: from Stormblazer at 10:02 pm on Sep. 30, 2006

Quote: from sydpao at 1:06 am on Sep. 30, 2006

yeah right... mac's the best... windows is a piece of crap...

How's that work?
Mac requires apple's hardware, which is overpriced.
Windows runs on both PCs and apple's hardware.

Mac is unix-based and can have a pretty interface. So's Linux, but Linux is much more customizable, free, and runs on almost any hardware. Not to mention that the vast majority of programs that can run on Mac also run under Linux.

Mac has very little game support. Windows has a great deal of game support. Linux also has quite a bit of game support between Wine and Cedega.

XP rarely crashes, it might have bugs, but what doesn't? Mac fanboys go on and on about BSOD, and when I hear that I have to wonder if they've ever used anything but the 9x kernels.

You get the idea.


People need to stop saying it is over priced. Maybe overpriced compared to a custom built computer but  the MacPro compared to a Dell equilvalent, a Mac is cheaper. Anyways I use XP on my Gateway 7422GX and it feel's more sluggish than my old iMac G4 running an 800Mhz PPC processor running alot of programs on OS X Tiger. If you want to do any kind of image or video editing then get a Mac or dont know how to use a computer or just like the ease of a Mac. If you really want to sit and play games then get Windows. Or if you want then get a new Mac and use both. I agree a custom built computer is probaly cheaper than a Mac but alot of regular non savvy people just want to go to a store and get a computer they  can use right out of the box.

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Dell and gateway are stupid comparisons because they suck, I've told you that. Besides, anyone who seriously looking at getting a really nice computer is going to look for the best deal, and that means custom build.
Besides, if you want something like the Mac interface that's based on unix as well, why not just get Linux? It's cheaper after all (aka free), and a lot more power-user friendly. I've always felt the Mac interface is too dumbed down, too many things hidden, especially for a unix-based OS.
Besides, the Mac Pro's configuration bugs me because you pay a ton for a processor that shouldn't even be in pre-configured computers yet because of cost (vs. what you get compared to stuff that's slightly less powerful) and yet they only offer mid-range graphics cards? Feels like a slap in the face to me for anyone who's already spending that much.

Further, when I say overpriced, I'm not just talking in respect to the exact same specs on a custom-built system, I'm also talking in terms of cost-effectiveness.
When you can get a system that's only slightly less powerful for far cheaper, it doesn't really make sense to get the really expensive one, and the Mac Pro makes that choice for you, and picks the expensive one. That doesn't make sense for the consumer.

Post edited at 5:23 pm on Oct. 2, 2006 by Stormblazer

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I prefer Pc for ease of use and peice of mind, I have ubuntu on my laptop which as about as close to Mac as i would like to get.

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I use Windows XP and have had only a little experience with MACS. I find that PCs are a lot cheaper and you can find more support. Plus I don't have to worry about whether software required for classes is compatible with MAC. Yes, I've lost data before. Yes, I've lost date before. Yes, the computer screws up just when I'm in the middle of a paper. however, no computers are perfect. I'd eventually like to try a MAC , just for the experience.

Now I dont like the way Microsoft runs business (through a monopoly) and the prices they charge for some of their software (Word etc).  I certaintly don't like IE but since WIndows  is the cheapest out there, I'll have to go with that.

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