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Why Didn't Jesus Kill His Guards?
Replies: 24Last Post Dec. 23, 2011 8:08pm by Rabgix
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Jesus was a transformative Messiah. One of his abilities was to turn water to wine.

If humans are 80% water, why did he not turn his guards to wine, and run away from the cross?


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He had to die

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Because he was a willing sacrifice. He could have stopped them at any time, in any number of ways, he had the power. He CHOSE to die, and to follow the will of the father.

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It wasn't in His nature to sin.

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Quote: from carie at 11:32 am on Dec. 22, 2011

Because he was a willing sacrifice. He could have stopped them at any time, in any number of ways, he had the power. He CHOSE to die, and to follow the will of the father.

Isn't that suicide

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Quote: from Rabgix at 10:36 am on Dec. 22, 2011

Quote: from carie at 11:32 am on Dec. 22, 2011

Because he was a willing sacrifice. He could have stopped them at any time, in any number of ways, he had the power. He CHOSE to die, and to follow the will of the father.

Isn't that suicide


Not really. He didn't kill himself, it was still the doing of the guards. But I suppose in a way sacrifice is kinda like suicide.

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Quote: from Rabgix at 11:36 am on Dec. 22, 2011

Quote: from carie at 11:32 am on Dec. 22, 2011

Because he was a willing sacrifice. He could have stopped them at any time, in any number of ways, he had the power. He CHOSE to die, and to follow the will of the father.

Isn't that suicide


no, it is the purest and truest definition of non-violence we can see.

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Quote: from carie at 11:38 am on Dec. 22, 2011

Quote: from Rabgix at 11:36 am on Dec. 22, 2011

Quote: from carie at 11:32 am on Dec. 22, 2011

Because he was a willing sacrifice. He could have stopped them at any time, in any number of ways, he had the power. He CHOSE to die, and to follow the will of the father.
 

 Isn't that suicide


no, it is the purest and truest definition of non-violence we can see.


That's really odd considering how violent and misanthropic God is.

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I could definitely get behind a God that turned the police into giant human wine barrels, however.

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Quote: from greatescape at 11:40 am on Dec. 22, 2011

I could definitely get behind a God that turned the police into giant human wine barrels, however.


haha, in my head they just turned into actual barrels. it was entertaining.

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Quote: from Rabgix at 11:40 am on Dec. 22, 2011

Quote: from carie at 11:38 am on Dec. 22, 2011

Quote: from Rabgix at 11:36 am on Dec. 22, 2011

Quote: from carie at 11:32 am on Dec. 22, 2011

Because he was a willing sacrifice. He could have stopped them at any time, in any number of ways, he had the power. He CHOSE to die, and to follow the will of the father.

  Isn't that suicide


 

 no, it is the purest and truest definition of non-violence we can see.


That's really odd considering how violent and misanthropic God is.



Stop ascribing human atributes to God.

God is the definition of words, words dont define him. Taking a human characteristic and then holding God up to it to see if he shares in it is backwards.

I am not asking you to believe in Christianity or insisting that you see God from that perspective, but from a Christian perspective God isnt defined by things, God sets the defenition. If God did it, is is good, because God cannot be anything but good. That is the basics of a deontological system that is religious in its focus.

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Quote: from greatescape at 11:40 am on Dec. 22, 2011

I could definitely get behind a God that turned the police into giant human wine barrels, however.

See Odin, Ares, Mercury, et al

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Quote: from carie at 11:46 am on Dec. 22, 2011

Quote: from Rabgix at 11:40 am on Dec. 22, 2011

Quote: from carie at 11:38 am on Dec. 22, 2011

Quote: from Rabgix at 11:36 am on Dec. 22, 2011

Quote: from carie at 11:32 am on Dec. 22, 2011

Because he was a willing sacrifice. He could have stopped them at any time, in any number of ways, he had the power. He CHOSE to die, and to follow the will of the father.
   

  Isn't that suicide


  no, it is the purest and truest definition of non-violence we can see.


 

 That's really odd considering how violent and misanthropic God is.



Stop ascribing human atributes to God.

God is the definition of words, words dont define him. Taking a human characteristic and then holding God up to it to see if he shares in it is backwards.  

I am not asking you to believe in Christianity or insisting that you see God from that perspective, but from a Christian perspective God isnt defined by things, God sets the defenition. If God did it, is is good, because God cannot be anything but good. That is the basics of a deontological system that is religious in its focus.


What attributes can you attribute to God that aren't human? Love? Benevolence?

If God did it, it is good? I have to go but i'd like to come back and comment on that later

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At what point did Jesus willingly die?
He questioned God for sending him to die then accepted it was for mankind.

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Quote: from Rabgix at 8:40 am on Dec. 22, 2011

Quote: from carie at 11:38 am on Dec. 22, 2011

Quote: from Rabgix at 11:36 am on Dec. 22, 2011

Quote: from carie at 11:32 am on Dec. 22, 2011

Because he was a willing sacrifice. He could have stopped them at any time, in any number of ways, he had the power. He CHOSE to die, and to follow the will of the father.

  Isn't that suicide


 

 no, it is the purest and truest definition of non-violence we can see.


That's really odd considering how violent and misanthropic God is.



I mean, I know you're an atheist, but that's a bit rude...God is DEF not misanthropic!!!  Sure, Sodom and Gomorrah, but that HAD to be done.  Those people were sinners.

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