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Holohocaust memorial
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The Holocaust Museum is right on the most sacred soil in the American Pantheon, the Mall near the Smithsonian Institution, financed in no small part by 10s of millions of our tax dollars. Interestingly, it was built long before there was any real effort to build a memorial to the Second World War as a whole.
Why exactly is there a Holocaust memorial funded by millions of our tax dollars when very few American citizens actually suffered much because of it? There were very few Americans in the camps, just POWs - and the focus of the museum is on Jews, not American POWs.
This is essentially a monument for another nation of people entirely, in an area very important to America as a whole in the capital of our nation.

Where is the Washington DC, multi-million dollar museum for the millions of Ukrainians starved to death by the Judeo-Supremacist communist dictator Lazar Kaganovich? Or the Soviet Gulags where between 10 and 30 million people died? Or the Cambodian murder of three million by Pol Pot? Or a museum regarding the slaughter of 30 to 40 million in Red China? Or the millions of Germans after WWII sent to work to death in communist countries?
Or any of the other mass murders around the world?

What makes the holocaust so special, so important to America and its citizens that we must spend $50 million on a museum in the heart of our nation's capital?

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"Many Israelis feel offended by the way in which the Holocaust is exploited in the Diaspora. They even feel ashamed that the Holocaust has become a civil religion for Jews in the United States. They respect the works of Alfred Kazin, Irving Howe, and Marie Syrkin. But of other writers, editors, historians, bureaucrats, and academics they say, using the word Shoa, which is the Hebrew for Holocaust: 'There's no business like Shoa business.'"
Jacobo Timerman, The Longest War -- Israel in Lebanon, translated from the Spanish by Miguel Acoca, New York, Alfred A. Knopf, 1982, p. 15.

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what about 9/11? only 3000 or so people died in that yet americans spend so much tax payer money for the memorials (not to mention the wars)

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Quote: from polio at 5:19 pm on June 6, 2012

what about 9/11? only 3000 or so people died in that yet americans spend so much tax payer money for the memorials (not to mention the wars)
~*only*~ 3000 or so, nbd

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Because we had a pretty big fucking part in stopping the nazi's

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Why are there no monuments to the Armenian genocide?
Because it's not in the public eye.

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Quote: from Jim Raynor at 5:35 pm on June 6, 2012

Why are there no monuments to the Armenian genocide?
Because it's not in the public eye.

cus no1curr bout Armenia

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The Holocaust was part of the demoralizing aspect the Nazis threw at us in their quest for world domination. All the other events you mentioned (as well as the one you didn't mention about Stalin's oppressive regime and execution of so many Russians) were "local" to the region they happened in.

WWII had global implications and there was a very real possibility of a Nazi-controlled world.

Anyway, before you post a 20 page dissertation on why the Holocaust never happened, I'm going to go do something that will inevitably be less painful than reading it, like slam my dick in the oven door.

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Quote: from polio at 8:19 pm on June 6, 2012

what about 9/11? only 3000 or so people died in that yet americans spend so much tax payer money for the memorials (not to mention the wars)
This was on American soil and an act of aggression against Americans as a whole.

The Holocaust was against the Jews of Europe, completely across the atlantic ocean and not one single American was taken from their home in the US and sent to a camp.

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Quote: from Countryboy92 at 8:25 pm on June 6, 2012

Because we had a pretty big fucking part in stopping the nazi's
And we played a big part in stopping the Soviet Union - we were the only other super power at the time - yet we do not have a memorial for the millions killed under that regime.

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Quote: from Jim Raynor at 8:35 pm on June 6, 2012

Why are there no monuments to the Armenian genocide?
Because it's not in the public eye.

That doesn't address the obvious and fundamental question of WHY it isn't in the public eye.
What is so special about the Holocaust, that wasn't an act of aggression against American citizens in any way?

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Quote: from anthonykorsen007 at 8:43 pm on June 6, 2012

The Holocaust was part of the demoralizing aspect the Nazis threw at us in their quest for world domination. All the other events you mentioned (as well as the one you didn't mention about Stalin's oppressive regime and execution of so many Russians) were "local" to the region they happened in.
Please provide evidence that Hitler had a quest for world domination.


WWII had global implications and there was a very real possibility of a Nazi-controlled world.
Please provide evidence for the allegation that Hitler wanted to gain control of the world.

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Quote: from kidd rune at 6:02 pm on June 6, 2012

Quote: from polio at 8:19 pm on June 6, 2012

what about 9/11? only 3000 or so people died in that yet americans spend so much tax payer money for the memorials (not to mention the wars)
This was on American soil and an act of aggression against Americans as a whole.

The Holocaust was against the Jews of Europe, completely across the atlantic ocean and not one single American was taken from their home in the US and sent to a camp.


Jews in Europe were full citizens of the countries in which they were massacred. German Jews were full citizens of Germany when Hitler came to power. Hungarian Jews were citizens of Hungary, Polish Jews were citizens of Poland. They were killed on their own soil. Many of the Jewss killed in Europe were the direct parents or grandparents or family members of Americans. You are right this catastrophe was a global one and the world as a whole did suffer from a massacre of a whole ethnic group on that scale.

But yeah we could also extend the memorials to Japanes citizens who died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And we could have memorials for all the Native Americans massacred in the US

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Quote: from jakelong at 7:03 pm on June 8, 2012

But yeah we could also extend the memorials to Japanes citizens who died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And we could have memorials for all the Native Americans massacred in the US
Yet we don't. Why this discrepancy?
What is your opinion on this quote by a Jew:

"Too many books are written on the Holocaust. There are too many films and television plays that exploit the subject such as ... There is a fascination with the Holocaust and with Nazism. There may, in fact, be 'no business like Shoah business'. The problem is that many of these productions, if not most, are historically inaccurate, sentimental, roma[n]tic, exotic, and hyperbolic and so they ultimately distort and cheapen the Holocaust. -- The popularization and commercialization of the Holocaust is not only unhistorical but it is antihistorical ... -- There are still many survivors alive and already their past has been turned into falsification and fiction."
- Michael N. Dobkowski (professor of religious studies), «Germa"n Reunification: a Jewish View", Martyrdom and Resistance, International Society for Yad Vashem, New York, Sept.-Oct. 1990, p. 4.

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Why the discrepancy? Because we Americans were responsible for the massacres of Japanese and Native American people while the German enemies were responsible for the Holocaust. So of course Americans would rather hear about what bad things our enemies have done than what has been done by other Americans (and non German Europeans).

Maybe we talk too much about the Holocaust but really we simply should talk more about Hiroshima Nagasaki and the Trail of Tears.

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Quote: from jakelong at 12:55 am on June 11, 2012

Why the discrepancy? Because we Americans were responsible for the massacres of Japanese and Native American people while the German enemies were responsible for the Holocaust. So of course Americans would rather hear about what bad things our enemies have done than what has been done by other Americans (and non German Europeans).  

Maybe we talk too much about the Holocaust but really we simply should talk more about Hiroshima Nagasaki and the Trail of Tears.


What about the Soviet murders executed or commanded by Jewish communists of millions of White people?
They don't count?

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