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Was the Iraq war pushed for Jewish interests?
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According to former White House official Ann Lewis, "The role of the president of the United States is to support the decisions that are made by the people of Israel."

According to Wikipedia, "Ann Lewis is an American political advisor who was Senior Advisor for Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign. She has served as the Director of Communications for HillPAC and Friends of Hillary 2005-2007 and from 1997-2000 as Director of Communications and then Counselor to Bill Clinton."


Anyone know about the Jew Richard Perle, one of Bush's foreign policy advisors, who was caught passing Highly-Classified (National Security) documents to the Israeli Embassy and appointed Douglas Feith as a chairman of the Defense Policy Board, who was fired for also distributing confidential materials to an Israeli embassy official?

Paul Wolfowitz, according to Wikipedia, "a major architect of President Bush's Iraq policy and ... its most hawkish advocate." is a Jew. From 'The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy', a scholarly paper authored by Stephen Walt of Harvard University and John Mearsheimer of the University of Chicago:
"Wolfowitz is ... committed to Israel. The Forward once described him as "the most hawkishly pro-Israel voice in the Administration," and selected him in 2002 as the first among fifty notables who "have consciously pursued Jewish activism." At about the same time, JINSA gave Wolfowitz its Henry M. Jackson Distinguished Service Award for promoting a strong partnership between Israel and the United States, and the Jerusalem Post, describing him as "devoutly pro-Israel," named him "Man of the Year" in 2003."
So basically "a major architect of President Bush's Iraq policy" has been described as having "consciously pursued Jewish activism" and is "devoutly pro-Israel" and is "the most hawkishly pro-Israel voice in the Administration"

From a letter to Bush, from PNAC, which, according to wiki, "exerted influence on high-level U.S. government officials in the administration of U.S. President George W. Bush and affected the Bush Administration's development of military and foreign policies, especially involving national security and the Iraq War":
"Furthermore, Mr. President, we urge you to accelerate plans for removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq. .. Saddam, along with Iran, is a funder and supporter of terrorism against Israel. ... the damage our Israeli friends and we have suffered until now may someday appear but a prelude to much greater horrors....
Israel's fight against terrorism is our fight. Israel's victory is an important part of our victory."

Seems like they got what they wanted!


And finally, according to retired four-star US Army General and former NATO Supreme Allied Commander Wesley Clark: "Those who favor this attack [by the US against Iraq] now will tell you candidly, and privately, that it is probably true that Saddam Hussein is no threat to the United States. But they are afraid at some point he might decide if he had a nuclear weapon to use it against Israel."

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And, we were dealing with...Muslims...

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Quote: from Cosmo Brown at 9:55 pm on June 19, 2012

And, we were dealing with...Muslims...
But did it not further Jewish interests and was it not pushed by Jews with strong Jewish identities and strong allegiances to Israel?

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Taking Saddam Hussein out was certainly a benefit to Israel, I'll say that much.

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True, but Israel =/= "Jewish interests"

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Quote: from Bud2400 at 9:45 pm on June 19, 2012

Taking Saddam Hussein out was certainly a benefit to Israel, I'll say that much.

well that was the thought in the late 90s early 00s, but after the fact we now have Iran as the only 'power' in the neighborhood

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Quote: from Laurence at 2:02 am on June 20, 2012

True, but Israel =/= "Jewish interests"
So the Jews with strong Jewish identities don't think that the existence or the safety of the State of Israel, so they can have their own living space and self-government only for ethnic Jews, is in their ethnic-interests?

You have to realize that this was done by American Jews for the benefit of Israel, a foreign nation.
It seems their Jewish identity gives them strong ties to Israel...

Post edited at 11:15 pm on June 19, 2012 by kidd rune

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Interestingly:
"Senator McGovern is very sincere when he says that he will try to cut the military budget by 30%. And this is to drive a knife in the heart of Israel... Jews don't like big military budgets. But it is now an interest of the Jews to have a large and powerful military establishment in the United States... American Jews who care about the survival of the state of Israel have to say, no, we don't want to cut the military budget, it is important to keep that military budget big, so that we can defend Israel."
-Irving Kristol
http://mondoweiss.net/2007/05/30_years_ago_ne.html

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"Irving Kristol (January 22, 1920 - September 18, 2009) was an American columnist, journalist, and writer who was dubbed the "godfather of neoconservatism".[1] As the founder, editor, and contributor to various magazines, he played an influential role in the intellectual and political culture of the last half-century;[2] after his death he was described by The Daily Telegraph as being "perhaps the most consequential public intellectual of the latter half of the 20th century".[3]"
Why do anti-American tards still deny the fact that this Zionist trash is not good for our country?

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To be fair, the entire wmd argument was focused on how those wmd would hurt Israel.

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Don't forget

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Quote: from kidd rune at 12:14 am on June 20, 2012

Quote: from Laurence at 2:02 am on June 20, 2012

True, but Israel =/= "Jewish interests"
So the Jews with strong Jewish identities don't think that the existence or the safety of the State of Israel, so they can have their own living space and self-government only for ethnic Jews, is in their ethnic-interests?

Interesting that you dislike me to jump to conclusions based on your statements yet you feel free to do so. Tell me where I implied thus.


You have to realize that this was done by American Jews for the benefit of Israel, a foreign nation.
It seems their Jewish identity gives them strong ties to Israel...

American Jews while powerful do not represent all Jews. And not all American Jews do support Israel. Furthermore Israel is mostly a secular nation. Thus Israel =/= Jewish interests.

Or are you implying that any attack on Israel is indeed an attack on Jews? Please do not tell me you would lend credence to that position.

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Interesting that you dislike me to jump to conclusions based on your statements yet you feel free to do so. Tell me where I implied thus.
Do you agree that for many Jews, the existence of Israel is strongly in their ethnic interests?


American Jews while powerful do not represent all Jews. And not all American Jews do support Israel. Furthermore Israel is mostly a secular nation. Thus Israel =/= Jewish interests.
But is the state of Israel good for the Jews as a whole? It gives them land and self-government, a place to escape "Anti-Semitism" if it happens.


Or are you implying that any attack on Israel is indeed an attack on Jews? Please do not tell me you would lend credence to that position.
Not necessarily. but how many Jews would be outwardly angry at it, specifically because it's Israel and not China or Pakistan or Zimbabwe or somewhere else Jews aren't really at? The plurality. Anti-Israeli Jews are more of the exception than anything.

Post edited at 9:04 pm on June 21, 2012 by kidd rune

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Quote: from Laurence at 6:35 pm on June 21, 2012

Or are you implying that any attack on Israel is indeed an attack on Jews? Please do not tell me you would lend credence to that position.

This is what we constantly see on our American tv, both from American politicians and Israeli ones.

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