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Quote: from Kaijuu at 10:37 am on June 22, 2012

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 Thats stupid. Depriving them of an education for doing what kids do? Stupid. Just stupid.

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Doing what kids do? So is harrassment and bullying to be considered something "that kids do?" Kids do need to learn early about boundaries and discipline. Their behavior should come with consequences. I did not say that we should deprive them of an education completely. But yes students have been expelled from school for less than this and still do manage to receive an education.

If kids cannot behave properly in a bus then maybe they are the ones who do not belong on this bus. Just because they are young does not mean they cannot learn that they must respect those around them. For if they do not learn this now then when do we expect them to learn?

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If kids cannot behave properly in a bus then maybe they are the ones who do not belong on this bus. Just because they are young does not mean they cannot learn that they must respect those around them. For if they do not learn this now then when do we expect them to learn?

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I agree with Laurence here actually.  I think criminal charges for it would be totally overbearing and ridiculous, but school discipline is not.  The kids knew what they were doing, they should face whatever consequences the school has for bullying.  I just hope the school doesn't succumb to the pressure to hand out punishments that are harsher than ordinary due to the attention of the story though, it bothers me when punishments are not equal across the board.

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If the kids were expelled from all of the schools then they would be forced to go to a shitty alternative school with all the kids that got kicked out for drug dealing, smoking on school grounds, and all of that dumb crap. Then they would be mixed up in that.

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Why should the school care? If they have kids under their supervision who are disruptive and abusive to others, their only option is to kick them out for the sake of everyone else.

Honestly, the ones who care about this shouldn't be the school, it should be the students and parents. And if they don't care, I bet you anything the school won't be able to get them to care and whatever effort in doing so is a big waste of time and money.

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They wouldn't learn anything. Everyone deserves a GOOD education.

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Everyone does deserve it, but you're trying to shove an education down their throats at the expense of everyone else. Fact is, they're getting their education but they choose to throw it away. They had their opportunity, what else can one do? Forcing them won't help anyone, it'll only annoy teachers and other students, possibly harm learning by their presence where they don't give a fuck and encourage others to not give a fuck.

I say to hell with them if they're to be expelled. They had their chance. If the streets is where they go as a result of expulsion, so be it. The school will be all the better for it. The street is where trash like in that video belong.

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Suspending them from the bus is a logical punishment for this. Then they would have to deal with their parents frustration and disappointment every day.

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I actually agree. I think expulsion would be too much personally, but at the same time, I can accept a school's decision to expel over this and see their point.

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Or walk. These kids already have to deal with scorn from strangers on a daily basis and threats sent to their homes.

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Also agree, about walking.  The scorn from strangers is just what you get for being a dick and totally deserved, it shouldn't factor into any punishment given to them over what they did.

Post edited at 12:31 pm on June 23, 2012 by Bud2400

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Quote: from Kaijuu at 12:14 pm on June 23, 2012

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If the kids were expelled from all of the schools then they would be forced to go to a shitty alternative school with all the kids that got kicked out for drug dealing, smoking on school grounds, and all of that dumb crap. Then they would be mixed up in that.

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Why should the school care?  If they have kids under their supervision who are disruptive and abusive to others, their only option is to kick them out for the sake of everyone else.

Honestly, the ones who care about this shouldn't be the school, it should be the students and parents.  And if they don't care, I bet you anything the school won't be able to get them to care and whatever effort in doing so is a big waste of time and money.

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They wouldn't learn anything. Everyone deserves a GOOD education.

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Everyone does deserve it, but you're trying to shove an education down their throats at the expense of everyone else.  Fact is, they're getting their education but they choose to throw it away.  They had their opportunity, what else can one do?  Forcing them won't help anyone, it'll only annoy teachers and other students, possibly harm learning by their presence where they don't give a fuck and encourage others to not give a fuck.

I say to hell with them if they're to be expelled.  They had their chance.  If the streets is where they go as a result of expulsion, so be it.  The school will be all the better for it.  The street is where trash like in that video belong.

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Suspending them from the bus is a logical punishment for this. Then they would have to deal with their parents frustration and disappointment every day.

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I actually agree.  I think expulsion would be too much personally, but at the same time, I can accept a school's decision to expel over this and see their point.

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Or walk. These kids already have to deal with scorn from strangers on a daily basis and threats sent to their homes.

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Also agree, about walking. The scorn from strangers is just what you get for being a dick and totally deserved, it shouldn't factor into any punishment given to them over what they did.

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"What kids usually do" huh? Then how come I never did that? Or any of my friends? Or anyone I know? God that is the dumbest argument in the book.

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You didn't because you are obsessed with Jesus and were raised differently.

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I'm atheist and always have been, yet I've never done anything like that.

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Quote: from Cosmo Brown at 3:27 pm on June 23, 2012

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"What kids usually do" huh?  Then how come I never did that?  Or any of my friends?  Or anyone I know?  God that is the dumbest argument in the book.

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You didn't because you are obsessed with Jesus and were raised differently.
I bullied, my friends bullied, the kids in my neighborhood bullied. No matter the city, the state, the school, there was bullying. Its just what kids do.  
I was making fun of gays before I knew what being gay was. I was making fun of fat people before I became friends with a fat girl. With life experiences people change. I was bullied by a group of girls in high school before they realized everyone was different and they apologized to me a year later.  
When you're a Jesus lover its easy to avoid meeting people like this.

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Quote: from Kaijuu at 7:10 pm on June 23, 2012

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Quote: from Cosmo Brown at 3:27 pm on June 23, 2012

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"What kids usually do" huh? Then how come I never did that? Or any of my friends? Or anyone I know? God that is the dumbest argument in the book.

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 You didn't because you are obsessed with Jesus and were raised differently.  
 I bullied, my friends bullied, the kids in my neighborhood bullied. No matter the city, the state, the school, there was bullying. Its just what kids do.
 I was making fun of gays before I knew what being gay was. I was making fun of fat people before I became friends with a fat girl. With life experiences people change. I was bullied by a group of girls in high school before they realized everyone was different and they apologized to me a year later.
 When you're a Jesus lover its easy to avoid meeting people like this.

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Makes sense that Black kids do that all the time, they're more genteically predisposed to aggression:
http://www.golivewire.com/forums/peer-yititot-support-a.html

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Makes sense that Black kids do that all the time, they're more genteically predisposed to aggression:

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Quote: from kidd rune at 1:15 am on June 24, 2012

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Makes sense that Black kids do that all the time, they're more genteically predisposed to aggression:

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It has little to do with genetics, it's a cultural thing.

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I mostly went to integrated schools and attended a primarily white high school but nice try.

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Quote: from Kaijuu at 1:38 pm on June 24, 2012

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I mostly went to integrated schools and attended a primarily white high school but nice try.

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So the problem is the fact that races are forced to be around each other, and the problem would be solved by racial separation?
Interesting.
Do you believe White people have a moral right to living space and self government?

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So the problem is the fact that races are forced to be around each other, and the problem would be solved by racial separation?  
Interesting.  

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Where was that said? I think this may be you imprinting your perspective onto this.

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Do you believe White people have a moral right to living space and self government?

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Do you?

Post edited at 11:47 am on June 24, 2012 by RandomThought

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Do you?

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