It's abit bitter, because I spent much of the course questioning why we didnt learn anything and why he taught us no technical skills and praised out-dated 1950s style conceptual work as new and innovative and dismissed people who actually have made money from their work as bad, and rambled on about philosophy and other crap.

So naturally I got minimum passing grade and negative bitchy feedback-doesnt concern me because in Illustration i got a first and top of the class, but what the tutor said confused me.

he said this:

               There are hints of a creative mind at work in this portfolio.
               Sadly, the majority of this work is undeveloped and over-rehearsed  
               The indulgent nature of your work has hindered the critical discourse expected at this stage in the degree.

How can art be over-rehearsed, does anyone know what he meant by this?

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He's likely saying it felt too remote, and robotic. Not natural and free flowing.

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Agreed.

It's as if you spend so much time practicing drawing objects that there's not feeling in your work. Something can look good without being creative. For example, a bowl of fruit is usually boring as all hell, because it's a practice piece.

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hmm fair enough, lol dickhead prof

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Sure. Even so, it's not necessarily bad criticism.
There's never a bad time to soul search a little bit for new parts of yourself to express.

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Quote: from Cenere at 6:42 pm on June 19, 2012

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He's likely saying it felt too remote, and robotic. Not natural and free flowing.

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Agreed.

It's as if you spend so much time practicing drawing objects that there's not feeling in your work. Something can look good without being creative. For example, a bowl of fruit is usually boring as all hell, because it's a practice piece.

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Graphic design that he wanted is fonts and computers, emotionless. My stuff is too organic and wierd, he wants minimalist typographic works. I realized early on that he was trying to make us all into useless conceptualists who would be unable to find any jobs anywhere so I just started submitting illustrated work that I was freelancing instead of the boring minimalist stuff he wanted.

The stuff he praised was upside down coke bottle stencil with the message behind it that originality is dead...um this is second year graphic design, not foundation fine art. He thinks crap like that is innovative and new, he didnt like me because I would repeatedly call the work out in crits and reference where it was taken from, usually damien hirst.

The tutor seemed to want to turn us into little damien hirsts (without the rich friends and backing), anything that wasn't pretentious or had a huge deep concept referencing some beat poet or greek philosopher he would say it lacked depth

to give you a taste of this guys pretention, he was always going on and on about Phillip glass and his "absolutely genius" silent symphony where people pay money for a ticket to watch an orchestra pick up their instruments and not play a single note for 8 minutes.

Just because there is some gimmicky concept behind it, that doesnt make it genius.

Post edited at 3:53 pm on June 19, 2012 by Anonymous

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Quote: from carracer at 3:44 pm on June 19, 2012

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Quote: from Cenere at 6:42 pm on June 19, 2012

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He's likely saying it felt too remote, and robotic. Not natural and free flowing.

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 Agreed.  

 It's as if you spend so much time practicing drawing objects that there's not feeling in your work. Something can look good without being creative. For example, a bowl of fruit is usually boring as all hell, because it's a practice piece.

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Graphic design is fonts and computers. My stuff is too organic and wierd, he wants minimalist typographic works. I realized early on that he was trying to make us all into useless conceptualists who would be unable to find work so just started submitting illustrated work instead of stuff done on computers.

The stuff he praised was upside down coke bottle stencil with the message behind it that originality is dead...um this is second year graphic design, not foundation fine art. He thinks crap like that is innovative and new, he didnt like me because I would repeatedly call the work out in crits and reference where it was taken from, usually damien hirst.

The tutor seemed to want to turn us into little damien hirsts (without the rich friends and backing), anything that wasn't pretentious or had a huge deep concept referencing some beat poet or greek philosopher he would say it lacked depth

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I don't mean follow his advice to a tee, just try something new. Anyway, my father is a graphic design director, and the truth is if you want to be really good you need a combination of computer and hand work. One does not cancel out the other.

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Quote: from Anonymous at 6:49 pm on June 19, 2012

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Quote: from carracer at 3:44 pm on June 19, 2012

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Quote: from Cenere at 6:42 pm on June 19, 2012

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He's likely saying it felt too remote, and robotic. Not natural and free flowing.

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Agreed.    

It's as if you spend so much time practicing drawing objects that there's not feeling in your work. Something can look good without being creative. For example, a bowl of fruit is usually boring as all hell, because it's a practice piece.

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Graphic design is fonts and computers. My stuff is too organic and wierd, he wants minimalist typographic works. I realized early on that he was trying to make us all into useless conceptualists who would be unable to find work so just started submitting illustrated work instead of stuff done on computers.

The stuff he praised was upside down coke bottle stencil with the message behind it that originality is dead...um this is second year graphic design, not foundation fine art. He thinks crap like that is innovative and new, he didnt like me because I would repeatedly call the work out in crits and reference where it was taken from, usually damien hirst.

The tutor seemed to want to turn us into little damien hirsts (without the rich friends and backing), anything that wasn't pretentious or had a huge deep concept referencing some beat poet or greek philosopher he would say it lacked depth

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I don't mean follow his advice to a tee, just try something new. Anyway, my father is a graphic design director, and the truth is if you want to be really good you need a combination of computer and hand work. One does not cancel out the other.

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I know this. But he has not taught technical skills at all on anything. To be frank, it is a useless class. The "star students" in the class can't draw anything other than hipster scribbles that looks like a TopShop shirt and have no photoshop or illustrator skills to speak of, they just submit tiny helvetica font centered on a colored background and then come up with a longwinded explanation about how it relates to the iliad and ingmar bergman and other references the tutor likes, aka work every kid in my foundation year did.

I realized that these kids may succeed in class and get high marks but once they go into the real world they will get stomped on and ignored, because they have no technique, no creativity and are one trick ponies.

Me on the otherhand, mr over-rehearsed and underdeveloped is making money doing freelance AND getting a book published in 3 months. This course is full of clowns, maybe I am one of them but atleast im not sacrificing my work to become a pretentious elitist damien hirst clone

Post edited at 3:59 pm on June 19, 2012 by Anonymous

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Quote: from carracer at 3:51 pm on June 19, 2012

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Quote: from Anonymous at 6:49 pm on June 19, 2012

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Quote: from carracer at 3:44 pm on June 19, 2012

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Quote: from Cenere at 6:42 pm on June 19, 2012

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He's likely saying it felt too remote, and robotic. Not natural and free flowing.

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  Agreed.    

  It's as if you spend so much time practicing drawing objects that there's not feeling in your work. Something can look good without being creative. For example, a bowl of fruit is usually boring as all hell, because it's a practice piece.

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  Graphic design is fonts and computers. My stuff is too organic and wierd, he wants minimalist typographic works. I realized early on that he was trying to make us all into useless conceptualists who would be unable to find work so just started submitting illustrated work instead of stuff done on computers.

  The stuff he praised was upside down coke bottle stencil with the message behind it that originality is dead...um this is second year graphic design, not foundation fine art. He thinks crap like that is innovative and new, he didnt like me because I would repeatedly call the work out in crits and reference where it was taken from, usually damien hirst.

  The tutor seemed to want to turn us into little damien hirsts (without the rich friends and backing), anything that wasn't pretentious or had a huge deep concept referencing some beat poet or greek philosopher he would say it lacked depth

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 I don't mean follow his advice to a tee, just try something new. Anyway, my father is a graphic design director, and the truth is if you want to be really good you need a combination of computer and hand work. One does not cancel out the other.

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I know this. But he has not taught technical skills at all on anything. To be frank, it is a useless class. The "star students" in the class can't draw, they just submit tiny helvetica font centered on a colored background and then come up with a longwinded explanation about how it relates to the iliad and ingmar bergman and other references the tutor likes, aka work every kid in my foundation year did.

I realized that these kids may succeed in class and get high marks but once they go into the real world they will get stomped on and ignored, because they have no technique, no creativity and are one trick ponies.

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Ah, okay. I understand what you mean. Yeah, your professor was just being a conceited asshole.

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