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Accidental Anonymous: Public discussion topic
Replies: 81Last Post June 9, 2012 12:38pm by Forever Angel
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This is our first policy topic following our decision to create public versions of each mod policy topic.  The topic at hand is how to use the feature that David just implemented, in regards to accidentally anonymized topics.  There are 2 parts.  Enjoy :)


Part I: When?

We need to confirm when it's okay to click to mark a topic public. This should get rid of any confusion, and hopefully calm some member concern I've seen floating around that we're going to bop around marking topics about small penises and the like public. So, let's just get straight to a vote here.

Option 1: We only mark topics public if a member specifically comes to us and asks us to do so.  
Option 2: We can mark anonymous topics public if they are an abuse of the anonymous feature.
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Part II: How?

How will we handle accidental anonymous marking in cases when the OP says they accidentally marked the topic anonymous? This was the topic of discussion previously, which eventually led to us contacting David to get this feature implemented. Now that we don't have to consider a lot of the technicalities of doing this, let's focus on what to do with due process and everything.

I've maintained almost the exact same wording in areas where it made sense to.

Option 1:


Allow users the option to have a moderator mark their accidentally anon'ed topic as public. This would mean you cannot abuse the feature and would not lead to further misconduct against your account. The member can let us know on their own, or when we trash it that they would like it to be restored as public. If a member is fine with their topic being public, it is no longer an abuse of the anonymous feature and therefore they cannot be warned or banned for this, regardless of the number of times it happens.

Option 2:


Allow users the option to have a moderator mark their accidentally anon'ed topic as public. However, the acting moderator has the right to decide if they want to begin (or continue) with due process for abuse of anonymous. Factors that may be considered in this decision are whether or not the member came to a moderator to let them know they accidentally marked the topic anonymous, member history with anonymous abuse, and the nature of the topic.

Option 3:


Moderators should not use this feature to mark accidental anonymous topics as public. It should be used for other purposes (explain please)


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When: Option 1
How: Option 2

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Quote: from Forever Angel at 1:19 pm on May 25, 2012

When: Option 1
How: Option 2

Curious, for How, why do you think 2 is better than one considering that they are not using the feature to hide if they want us to mark it public? Surely that backs more that it was an accident.

I just want to know your thinking on it.

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Cell phones number one reason for issue.

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Quote: from Spice at 7:20 am on May 25, 2012

Quote: from Forever Angel at 1:19 pm on May 25, 2012

When: Option 1  
 How: Option 2

Curious, for How, why do you think 2 is better than one considering that they are not using the feature to hide if they want us to mark it public? Surely that backs more that it was an accident.

I just want to know your thinking on it.


The way option 1 is worded... "This would mean you cannot abuse the feature..." and "...or when we trash it that they would like it to be restored as public" and "...regardless of the number of times it happens" just doesn't quite work, imo.

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But why?

- you cant abuse the feature if you are willing to have it marked public
- we would trash first and then restore as public if PMed/MERed. We wouldn't take that upon ourselves. If they don't do that, they it stays as AoA and we can do due process
- what's the achievement if they keep accidentally doing it and asking us to undo? It's a rare occurance, so I don't think that's a bad stipulant

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So you just don't like the wording of 1?

Because I'm having a hard time getting on board with ever banning someone for abuse of anonymous who WANTED us to mark their topic public.

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I think option 1 for both, however I don't know how I feel about this > "regardless of the number of times it happens." What if some one just takes advantage of this policy and constantly marks their topics anonymous just to have them trashed and restored as public? I'm not sure why any one would want to do that but I don't know why people do a lot of things, boredom I suppose. But other than that I think it's fine.

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Couldn't option one allow for abuse though in the instance of someone wanting to sneakily mark a topic anonymous when they know they shoudlnt-they mark it anon and hope it is missed by a mod, and if we miss it then they get away with abuse. if it is ever discovered we don't retroactively moderate so win win for the member

I've not posted in our mod topic yet as there's more activity in this one.

Post edited at 5:44 am on May 25, 2012 by katyduck

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Quote: from Forever Angel at 8:30 am on May 25, 2012

Quote: from Spice at 7:20 am on May 25, 2012

Quote: from Forever Angel at 1:19 pm on May 25, 2012

When: Option 1
  How: Option 2

 

 Curious, for How, why do you think 2 is better than one considering that they are not using the feature to hide if they want us to mark it public? Surely that backs more that it was an accident.  

 I just want to know your thinking on it.


The way option 1 is worded... "This would mean you cannot abuse the feature..." and "...or when we trash it that they would like it to be restored as public" and "...regardless of the number of times it happens" just doesn't quite work, imo.

Could you suggest wording you like better?

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Also aren't these topics meant to be in m2m

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Spice, AoA occurs when the post is made, unless it was accidental at that time. Just because someone is willing to allow it to be reposted as unanon doesn't change that fact. And if they keep doing it, I believe that's a sign they need some remedial 'training'.

greatescape, I don't think banning should be the penalty for AoA, either. But I don't think it should be ignored as part of a member's history. Multiple occurrences should at least raise a flag. And yes, I just don't like the wording.

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Quote: from Forever Angel at 1:48 pm on May 25, 2012

Spice, AoA occurs when the post is made, unless it was accidental at that time. Just because someone is willing to allow it to be reposted as unanon doesn't change that fact.

yes it does as marking it public means theres no abuse of anonymous happening.

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Quote: from Scarlet Tears at 2:41 pm on May 25, 2012

I think option 1 for both, however I don't know how I feel about this > "regardless of the number of times it happens." What if some one just takes advantage of this policy and constantly marks their topics anonymous just to have them trashed and restored as public? I'm not sure why any one would want to do that but I don't know why people do a lot of things, boredom I suppose. But other than that I think it's fine.

Theoretically, yes.  I would be fine with implementing a system of penalty points if it ever reached such an extreme though.  Similar to what we do when someone intentionally ALWAYS puts their topic in the wrong forum.

I am not okay with banning for it though.

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Quote: from katyduck at 2:43 pm on May 25, 2012

Couldn't option one allow for abuse though in the instance of someone wanting to sneakily mark a topic anonymous when they know they shoudlnt-they mark it anon and hope it is missed by a mod, and if we miss it then they get away with abuse.

Is this not already the case?


if it is ever discovered we don't retroactively moderate so win win for the member

We still moderate forum content that goes as far back as we care to while digging through our respective forums.  I don't know what you're referring to here.

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