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Quote: from Forever Angel at 1:48 pm on May 25, 2012

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Spice, AoA occurs when the post is made, unless it was accidental at that time. Just because someone is willing to allow it to be reposted as unanon doesn't change that fact.

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yes it does as marking it public means theres no abuse of anonymous happening.

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Quote: from Scarlet Tears at 2:41 pm on May 25, 2012

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I think option 1 for both, however I don't know how I feel about this > "regardless of the number of times it happens." What if some one just takes advantage of this policy and constantly marks their topics anonymous just to have them trashed and restored as public? I'm not sure why any one would want to do that but I don't know why people do a lot of things, boredom I suppose. But other than that I think it's fine.

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Theoretically, yes. I would be fine with implementing a system of penalty points if it ever reached such an extreme though. Similar to what we do when someone intentionally ALWAYS puts their topic in the wrong forum.

I am not okay with banning for it though.

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Yeah banning is too extreme for something this small. Penalty points sound good, maybe even an informal/formal warning if the person is consistently doing it to taunt moderators, but again I doubt that would happen, and if it does it wouldn't be often.

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For what ever reason it seems convenient
to believe that everything is the fault
of the right or the left.

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Quote: from Forever Angel at 8:30 am on May 25, 2012

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Quote: from Spice at 7:20 am on May 25, 2012

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Quote: from Forever Angel at 1:19 pm on May 25, 2012

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When: Option 1    
  How: Option 2

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  Curious, for How, why do you think 2 is better than one considering that they are not using the feature to hide if they want us to mark it public? Surely that backs more that it was an accident.

  I just want to know your thinking on it.

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The way option 1 is worded... "This would mean you cannot abuse the feature..." and "...or when we trash it that they would like it to be restored as public" and "...regardless of the number of times it happens" just doesn't quite work, imo.

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Could you suggest wording you like better?

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... because theyre not abusing it if it doesn't stay anonymous?

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If I rob a bank but get caught as I head out the door... can I just give the money back and say "sorry" or "I didn't mean it" and all is forgiven, like it never happened, it wasn't really a robbery?

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Life  isn't about waiting for the storm to pass...
It's learning how to dance in the rain
"Work is not an end in itself;
there must always be time enough for love."

So you're for punishing things even if unintentional or they wish to mark it public. cool beans

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From a distance you look like my friend,

even though we are at war.

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lol @ that analogy.

So you're for punishing things even if unintentional or they wish to mark it public. cool beans

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I mean, people that are marking topics anonymous intentionally either don't understand or are hiding. If we help them understand, we remove the chance of it happening again. If they are hiding then they won't want it marked public?

What's the harm in them doing it, even if intentional if it's going to be removed / marked public? It's not like they'd "get their way" with anonymous and keep a topic up, anonymous, that breaches current guidelines.

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From a distance you look like my friend,

even though we are at war.

I don't understand why you think changing the status of the post changes the action of the member.

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Life  isn't about waiting for the storm to pass...
It's learning how to dance in the rain
"Work is not an end in itself;
there must always be time enough for love."

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Option 1 allows for the clear abuse of moderators finding a topic on their own, trashing it, then having a member request it to be marked unanon. They can do this an UNLIMITED amount of times. Meaning, members like [REMOVED] can anon topics they get owned in, and HOPE moderators don't find out, and even WHEN they do they can just request it to be unanoned. Clearly this would a) be easily abused and b) almost UNDENIABLY likely to happen. Why would we want that when there is an easy solution?

Option 4:

Members -MUST- come to us first for it to not be considered abuse of anonymous and for the option of unanon to be present. Meaning, if moderators find the abuse first, they can act on it. However, as with all things, if they take further action is up to them. Translation: If they trash it, and a member requests for it to be unanoned and returned, the acting moderator can do that AND remove the due process action. However, that is up to the acting moderator.

This solves both problems. 1) It won't allow for "let me secretly mark this anon and hope no one notices and 2) It won't allow for "fuck they found it I'll just tell them for the 500th time not to start due process on me.

Option 1 DEMANDS we not be able to take action. Option 4 allows it in cases they DO NOT come to us first, but doesn't force it. I can't think of why this is a bad thing?

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I mean, people that are marking topics anonymous intentionally either don't understand or are hiding. If we help them understand, we remove the chance of it happening again. If they are hiding then they won't want it marked public?

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I think this piece is important. I've removed a number of topics for AoA, and the person who posted it had no idea what was going on. It's unfair to assume that anyone intentionally posting their topic anonymously is doing it to harass mods or cause problems. If a member does begin clearly abusing the feature, just to have us mark it public over and over, we can assign penalty points.

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Die? Didn't you know?
Spartans never die.

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Quote: from Spice at 9:44 am on May 25, 2012

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I mean, people that are marking topics anonymous intentionally either don't understand or are hiding. If we help them understand, we remove the chance of it happening again. If they are hiding then they won't want it marked public?

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 I think this piece is important. I've removed a number of topics for AoA, and the person who posted it had no idea what was going on. It's unfair to assume that anyone intentionally posting their topic anonymously is doing it to harass mods or cause problems. If a member does begin clearly abusing the feature, just to have us mark it public over and over, we can assign penalty points.

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I maintain that the primary purpose of this new Mod ability is to reverse an accidental marking. Not to overrule the act of abuse.

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Life  isn't about waiting for the storm to pass...
It's learning how to dance in the rain
"Work is not an end in itself;
there must always be time enough for love."

We asked David for the feature, it doesn't matter what you maintain.

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From a distance you look like my friend,

even though we are at war.

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actually, we changed the guidelines for that to be misuse and dont always follow up with due process.

We asked David for the feature, it doesn't matter what you maintain.

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And what was the impetus for this request?

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Life  isn't about waiting for the storm to pass...
It's learning how to dance in the rain
"Work is not an end in itself;
there must always be time enough for love."

It was Rollos topic, and Catlins claim, primarily. It means we can remove for accidental or those we think are using it to hide behind the feature when they get owned.

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From a distance you look like my friend,

even though we are at war.