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"You're a N----!" - is violent response justified?
If the person is Black and is called the
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Choice Votes Percent  
No violence is justified (I'm white) 24 66%
Yes, violence is justified (white) 3 8%
No violence is justified (I'm Black) 1 2%
Yes, violence is justified (I'm Black)) 0 0%
No violence is justified (I'm other) 3 8%
Yes, violentce is justified (I'm other) 1 2%
Null vote 4 11%
Vote Now! 36 Votes Cast
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Violence based on name calling is not justified in any case. if someone came up to me and called me a cunt, i'm not gonna punch him/her. Sure, I'll be pissed, but there's no need for any sort of violence. in my opinion.

I've heard both my parents use it, but differently. My dad tells me to turn off my "n----- rap shit" or just uses it to refer to black people in general. (My dad is racist) My mom on the other hand uses it to refer to completely classless, rude, uneducated ... idk assholes, black or white. Hard to explain her use, but... yeah. My mother is in no way a racist.

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I do not think the use of violence is justified, no.
Not at all.

I'm not saying white people should say that.
But I don't really understand how they get so extremely offended when they use it constantly in their own music.
It's similar to the word "faggot," only it's offensive and gay people generally do not use it.

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Quote: from nyn at 10:17 pm on April 25, 2012

as cute as that sentiment is, it means fuck all coming from you.  

Because you think I'm white? LOL you racist!

you're a white dude, i'm guessing? haven't looked at your IB.  

Wouldn't help, no pictures in there

yeah check your white privilege. you don't know what it's like to be anyone else.  

what is this "white privilege" you speak of?

the "rest of the bad stuff associated with the word" still happens.

in my OP ITT i did say "circumstantially"
if a white kid tries to pull off a "hey my nigga" that's a different kettle of fish to someone antagonising a person of colour - if you're saying it as slur it is, an attack, some people are going to react violently and no, it's not "right", perhaps even not "justifiable" (i hate that word in this context) but it's understandable. at least as far as i'm concerned. it's understandable because i am incapable of understanding.
no amount of putting myself in someone else's shoes will make me understand what it is to experience systemic racism on a daily basis. yeah i got called "white slut" about every day in high school but i never received it from a place of cultural and societal inferiority.


It may be understandable to you, but the bottom line is, if you react violently to a non-violent act then you are a scumbag. If it's not justified, and not right, then it matters not one jot whether you "understand" or not.


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Quote: from Waddiwasi at 2:27 pm on April 25, 2012

I do not think the use of violence is justified, no.
Not at all.

I'm not saying white people should say that.  
But I don't really understand how they get so extremely offended when they use it constantly in their own music.
It's similar to the word "faggot," only it's offensive and gay people generally do not use it.


Nigger =/= Nigga.  You won't find many rap songs with rappers calling each other niggers.

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i made a presumption. sorry you're a rabbit.

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Quote: from 8086 at 2:28 pm on April 25, 2012

Quote: from nyn at 10:17 pm on April 25, 2012

as cute as that sentiment is, it means fuck all coming from you.

Because you think I'm white? LOL you racist!


 you're a white dude, i'm guessing? haven't looked at your IB.


Wouldn't help, no pictures in there


 yeah check your white privilege. you don't know what it's like to be anyone else.


what is this "white privilege" you speak of?


 the "rest of the bad stuff associated with the word" still happens.  

 in my OP ITT i did say "circumstantially"  
 if a white kid tries to pull off a "hey my nigga" that's a different kettle of fish to someone antagonising a person of colour - if you're saying it as slur it is, an attack, some people are going to react violently and no, it's not "right", perhaps even not "justifiable" (i hate that word in this context) but it's understandable. at least as far as i'm concerned. it's understandable because i am incapable of understanding.  
 no amount of putting myself in someone else's shoes will make me understand what it is to experience systemic racism on a daily basis. yeah i got called "white slut" about every day in high school but i never received it from a place of cultural and societal inferiority.


It may be understandable to you, but the bottom line is, if you react violently to a non-violent act then you are a scumbag. If it's not justified, and not right, then it matters not one jot whether you "understand" or not.  


Growing a pair and sticking up for yourself=/=being a scumbag.  If you're going to stand there and cry while you're being verbally harrassed, then that's your choice.  Personally, I see hitting someone as being a much better choice than standing there and feeling dumb while being berated.

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Quote: from nyn at 10:33 pm on April 25, 2012

i made a presumption. sorry you're a rabbit.

You were half right though, I am a white rabbit.

But I would still love to know more about the "white privilege" you talked about


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Quote: from sequelmc at 10:35 pm on April 25, 2012

Quote: from 8086 at 2:28 pm on April 25, 2012

Quote: from nyn at 10:17 pm on April 25, 2012

as cute as that sentiment is, it means fuck all coming from you.

Because you think I'm white? LOL you racist!


you're a white dude, i'm guessing? haven't looked at your IB.


Wouldn't help, no pictures in there


yeah check your white privilege. you don't know what it's like to be anyone else.


what is this "white privilege" you speak of?


the "rest of the bad stuff associated with the word" still happens.    

in my OP ITT i did say "circumstantially"    
if a white kid tries to pull off a "hey my nigga" that's a different kettle of fish to someone antagonising a person of colour - if you're saying it as slur it is, an attack, some people are going to react violently and no, it's not "right", perhaps even not "justifiable" (i hate that word in this context) but it's understandable. at least as far as i'm concerned. it's understandable because i am incapable of understanding.    
no amount of putting myself in someone else's shoes will make me understand what it is to experience systemic racism on a daily basis. yeah i got called "white slut" about every day in high school but i never received it from a place of cultural and societal inferiority.


It may be understandable to you, but the bottom line is, if you react violently to a non-violent act then you are a scumbag. If it's not justified, and not right, then it matters not one jot whether you "understand" or not.    


Growing a pair and sticking up for yourself=/=being a scumbag.  If you're going to stand there and cry while you're being verbally harrassed, then that's your choice.  Personally, I see hitting someone as being a much better choice than standing there and feeling dumb while being berated.

It is a sign of immaturity to feel that you must teach someone a lesson.

There is the option of, you know, walking the hell away when someone is being an idiot.

Or, even better! Argue with them, tell them they're an idiot! If they rise to it and attack you, then sure, beat the shit out of them! But otherwise, let idiots be idiots, you're not going to change their attitude if you act like that towards them, it's only going to make them feel more justified in their position.

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Quote: from sequelmc at 2:35 pm on April 25, 2012

   
If you're going to stand there and cry while you're being verbally harrassed, then that's your choice. Personally, I see hitting someone as being a much better choice than standing there and feeling dumb while being berated.


You do not only have the two option of crying and physically assaulting someone. There are other choices.

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Quote: from 8086 at 2:37 pm on April 25, 2012

Quote: from sequelmc at 10:35 pm on April 25, 2012

Quote: from 8086 at 2:28 pm on April 25, 2012

Quote: from nyn at 10:17 pm on April 25, 2012

as cute as that sentiment is, it means fuck all coming from you.

  Because you think I'm white? LOL you racist!
 


  you're a white dude, i'm guessing? haven't looked at your IB.


  Wouldn't help, no pictures in there
 


  yeah check your white privilege. you don't know what it's like to be anyone else.


  what is this "white privilege" you speak of?
 


  the "rest of the bad stuff associated with the word" still happens.    

  in my OP ITT i did say "circumstantially"    
  if a white kid tries to pull off a "hey my nigga" that's a different kettle of fish to someone antagonising a person of colour - if you're saying it as slur it is, an attack, some people are going to react violently and no, it's not "right", perhaps even not "justifiable" (i hate that word in this context) but it's understandable. at least as far as i'm concerned. it's understandable because i am incapable of understanding.    
  no amount of putting myself in someone else's shoes will make me understand what it is to experience systemic racism on a daily basis. yeah i got called "white slut" about every day in high school but i never received it from a place of cultural and societal inferiority.


  It may be understandable to you, but the bottom line is, if you react violently to a non-violent act then you are a scumbag. If it's not justified, and not right, then it matters not one jot whether you "understand" or not.    

 


Growing a pair and sticking up for yourself=/=being a scumbag.  If you're going to stand there and cry while you're being verbally harrassed, then that's your choice.  Personally, I see hitting someone as being a much better choice than standing there and feeling dumb while being berated.

It is a sign of immaturity to feel that you must teach someone a lesson.

There is the option of, you know, walking the hell away when someone is being an idiot.


That is an option, and I find it to be a boring and worthless one.  With that being said, it completely depends on the situation, but there's no fun to be had in ducking from a fight.

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Quote: from sequelmc at 5:29 pm on April 25, 2012

Quote: from Waddiwasi at 2:27 pm on April 25, 2012

I do not think the use of violence is justified, no.  
 Not at all.  

 I'm not saying white people should say that.
 But I don't really understand how they get so extremely offended when they use it constantly in their own music.  
 It's similar to the word "faggot," only it's offensive and gay people generally do not use it.


Nigger =/= Nigga. You won't find many rap songs with rappers calling each other niggers.

Good point nigga.

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Quote: from sequelmc at 10:39 pm on April 25, 2012

Quote: from 8086 at 2:37 pm on April 25, 2012

Quote: from sequelmc at 10:35 pm on April 25, 2012

Quote: from 8086 at 2:28 pm on April 25, 2012

Quote: from nyn at 10:17 pm on April 25, 2012

as cute as that sentiment is, it means fuck all coming from you.  
   
  Because you think I'm white? LOL you racist!    
 

   
   you're a white dude, i'm guessing? haven't looked at your IB.  

   
  Wouldn't help, no pictures in there    
 

   
   yeah check your white privilege. you don't know what it's like to be anyone else.  

   
  what is this "white privilege" you speak of?    
 

   
   the "rest of the bad stuff associated with the word" still happens.

   in my OP ITT i did say "circumstantially"
   if a white kid tries to pull off a "hey my nigga" that's a different kettle of fish to someone antagonising a person of colour - if you're saying it as slur it is, an attack, some people are going to react violently and no, it's not "right", perhaps even not "justifiable" (i hate that word in this context) but it's understandable. at least as far as i'm concerned. it's understandable because i am incapable of understanding.
   no amount of putting myself in someone else's shoes will make me understand what it is to experience systemic racism on a daily basis. yeah i got called "white slut" about every day in high school but i never received it from a place of cultural and societal inferiority.


   

  It may be understandable to you, but the bottom line is, if you react violently to a non-violent act then you are a scumbag. If it's not justified, and not right, then it matters not one jot whether you "understand" or not.

 


Growing a pair and sticking up for yourself=/=being a scumbag. If you're going to stand there and cry while you're being verbally harrassed, then that's your choice. Personally, I see hitting someone as being a much better choice than standing there and feeling dumb while being berated.

 

 It is a sign of immaturity to feel that you must teach someone a lesson.  

 There is the option of, you know, walking the hell away when someone is being an idiot.


That is an option, and I find it to be a boring and worthless one. With that being said, it completely depends on the situation, but there's no fun to be had in ducking from a fight.

So go ahead and choose to be a scumbag if it's less "boring" to you. Don't bitch to me when I tell you that you would be being one, though.


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Quote: from 8086 at 7:06 am on April 26, 2012

Quote: from nyn at 10:33 pm on April 25, 2012

i made a presumption. sorry you're a rabbit.

You were half right though, I am a white rabbit.

But I would still love to know more about the "white privilege" you talked about


"privilege" is a concept in social justice which is pretty much
ugh how can i articulate this

y'know if you're actually interested i'd rather you read something that makes more sense than me at 7am
it speaks mostly of male privilege but makes the same point
https://sindeloke.wordpress.com/2010/01/13/37/

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Quote: from 8086 at 2:44 pm on April 25, 2012

Quote: from sequelmc at 10:39 pm on April 25, 2012

Quote: from 8086 at 2:37 pm on April 25, 2012

Quote: from sequelmc at 10:35 pm on April 25, 2012

Quote: from 8086 at 2:28 pm on April 25, 2012

Quote: from nyn at 10:17 pm on April 25, 2012

as cute as that sentiment is, it means fuck all coming from you.

   Because you think I'm white? LOL you racist!
   


    you're a white dude, i'm guessing? haven't looked at your IB.


   Wouldn't help, no pictures in there
   


    yeah check your white privilege. you don't know what it's like to be anyone else.


   what is this "white privilege" you speak of?
   


    the "rest of the bad stuff associated with the word" still happens.      

    in my OP ITT i did say "circumstantially"      
    if a white kid tries to pull off a "hey my nigga" that's a different kettle of fish to someone antagonising a person of colour - if you're saying it as slur it is, an attack, some people are going to react violently and no, it's not "right", perhaps even not "justifiable" (i hate that word in this context) but it's understandable. at least as far as i'm concerned. it's understandable because i am incapable of understanding.      
    no amount of putting myself in someone else's shoes will make me understand what it is to experience systemic racism on a daily basis. yeah i got called "white slut" about every day in high school but i never received it from a place of cultural and societal inferiority.


   It may be understandable to you, but the bottom line is, if you react violently to a non-violent act then you are a scumbag. If it's not justified, and not right, then it matters not one jot whether you "understand" or not.      

   


Growing a pair and sticking up for yourself=/=being a scumbag.  If you're going to stand there and cry while you're being verbally harrassed, then that's your choice.  Personally, I see hitting someone as being a much better choice than standing there and feeling dumb while being berated.

  It is a sign of immaturity to feel that you must teach someone a lesson.

  There is the option of, you know, walking the hell away when someone is being an idiot.


That is an option, and I find it to be a boring and worthless one.  With that being said, it completely depends on the situation, but there's no fun to be had in ducking from a fight.

So go ahead and choose to be a scumbag if it's less "boring" to you. Don't bitch to me when I tell you that you would be being one, though.


Okay, and I won't, because your opinion of me doesn't mean anything.

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Quote: from sequelmc at 10:46 pm on April 25, 2012

Okay, and I won't, because your opinion of me doesn't mean anything.

Well you already did. But okay, don't listen, no odds to me.  


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