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Quote: from Waddiwasi at 3:40 pm on April 22, 2012

Quote: from Forever Angel at 4:36 pm on April 22, 2012

I'm simply saying that a "fictitious" character cannot be a murderer. Your argument has nothing to do with Christianity.

My argument only has nothing to do with Christianity to the extent that Christianity has nothing to do with the Bible.
Your argument is irrelevant.


How is my "argument" irrelevant? Simply because you can't refute it? Lol, nice. That's the usual cop-out for ignorant atheists.

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Quote: from Forever Angel at 4:46 pm on April 22, 2012

Quote: from Waddiwasi at 3:40 pm on April 22, 2012

Quote: from Forever Angel at 4:36 pm on April 22, 2012

I'm simply saying that a "fictitious" character cannot be a murderer. Your argument has nothing to do with Christianity.
 

 My argument only has nothing to do with Christianity to the extent that Christianity has nothing to do with the Bible.  
 Your argument is irrelevant.


How is my "argument" irrelevant? Simply because you can't refute it? Lol, nice. That's the usual cop-out for ignorant atheists.

I'm assuming you are a Christian. I am trying to discuss Christianity with a Christian in a post about Christianity. How can I do this with the assumption that god doesn't exist? Because Christians refuse to accept the burden of proof, Atheists must argue the particulars of Christianity on the only foundation it has: the Bible.
I don't understand what's wrong with me arguing about the particulars of the Bible with a Christian, even though I don't believe.
How can I refute "you can't argue about god because you don't believe in god?' You're just arguing that point because you've gotten yourself into an argument that you cannot possibly win.
I wasn't even bringing the idea of Biblical accuracy, or proof for the existence of god into the argument and you still lost.
What does that say about Christians?

Why don't we try again.
And you try to argue against me without playing the "you can't talk about something you don't believe in" card.
Because I mean, I can argue about the particulars of Harry Potter all day and I don't believe in magic, or that any of the characters exist.
It's the same thing.

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Quote: from Waddiwasi at 3:55 pm on April 22, 2012

Quote: from Forever Angel at 4:46 pm on April 22, 2012

Quote: from Waddiwasi at 3:40 pm on April 22, 2012

Quote: from Forever Angel at 4:36 pm on April 22, 2012

I'm simply saying that a "fictitious" character cannot be a murderer. Your argument has nothing to do with Christianity.

  My argument only has nothing to do with Christianity to the extent that Christianity has nothing to do with the Bible.
  Your argument is irrelevant.


How is my "argument" irrelevant? Simply because you can't refute it? Lol, nice. That's the usual cop-out for ignorant atheists.

I'm assuming you are a Christian. I am trying to discuss Christianity with a Christian in a post about Christianity. How can I do this with the assumption that god doesn't exist? Because Christians refuse to accept the burden of proof, Atheists must argue the particulars of Christianity on the only foundation it has: the Bible.
I don't understand what's wrong with me arguing about the particulars of the Bible with a Christian, even though I don't believe.
How can I refute "you can't argue about god because you don't believe in god?' You're just arguing that point because you've gotten yourself into an argument that you cannot possibly win.
I wasn't even bringing the idea of Biblical accuracy, or proof for the existence of god into the argument and you still lost.
What does that say about Christians?  

Why don't we try again.
And you try to argue against me without playing the "you can't talk about something you don't believe in" card.
Because I mean, I can argue about the particulars of Harry Potter all day and I don't believe in magic, or that any of the characters exist.
It's the same thing.


All right, let's start over... you called God a murderer. Now, if you're going to accept the Christian premise that there is a God (in order to make your argument), you also need to accept that He is the Creator. As such, you have to moderate your tone a bit. You can say He killed a million (or almost any number you want to use) people and I wouldn't argue that point. But, as the Creator, any life He chooses to end is His province, therefore, not murder. Job 1:21: And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.

I do consider myself a Christian, but, a lot of my beliefs are not typical. So don't expect a "standard" response from me.

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Quote: from Forever Angel at 5:12 pm on April 22, 2012

Quote: from Waddiwasi at 3:55 pm on April 22, 2012

Quote: from Forever Angel at 4:46 pm on April 22, 2012

Quote: from Waddiwasi at 3:40 pm on April 22, 2012

Quote: from Forever Angel at 4:36 pm on April 22, 2012

I'm simply saying that a "fictitious" character cannot be a murderer. Your argument has nothing to do with Christianity.
   

  My argument only has nothing to do with Christianity to the extent that Christianity has nothing to do with the Bible.    
  Your argument is irrelevant.


How is my "argument" irrelevant? Simply because you can't refute it? Lol, nice. That's the usual cop-out for ignorant atheists.

 

 I'm assuming you are a Christian. I am trying to discuss Christianity with a Christian in a post about Christianity. How can I do this with the assumption that god doesn't exist? Because Christians refuse to accept the burden of proof, Atheists must argue the particulars of Christianity on the only foundation it has: the Bible.  
 I don't understand what's wrong with me arguing about the particulars of the Bible with a Christian, even though I don't believe.  
 How can I refute "you can't argue about god because you don't believe in god?' You're just arguing that point because you've gotten yourself into an argument that you cannot possibly win.  
 I wasn't even bringing the idea of Biblical accuracy, or proof for the existence of god into the argument and you still lost.  
 What does that say about Christians?

 Why don't we try again.  
 And you try to argue against me without playing the "you can't talk about something you don't believe in" card.  
 Because I mean, I can argue about the particulars of Harry Potter all day and I don't believe in magic, or that any of the characters exist.  
 It's the same thing.


All right, let's start over... you called God a murderer. Now, if you're going to accept the Christian premise that there is a God (in order to make your argument), you also need to accept that He is the Creator. As such, you have to moderate your tone a bit. You can say He killed a million (or almost any number you want to use) people and I wouldn't argue that point. But, as the Creator, any life He chooses to end is His province, therefore, not murder. Job 1:21: And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.  

I do consider myself a Christian, but, a lot of my beliefs are not typical. So don't expect a "standard" response from me.


How can you honestly justify the murder of millions of women and children?

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Quote: from Forever Angel at 5:12 pm on April 22, 2012

Quote: from Waddiwasi at 3:55 pm on April 22, 2012

Quote: from Forever Angel at 4:46 pm on April 22, 2012

Quote: from Waddiwasi at 3:40 pm on April 22, 2012

Quote: from Forever Angel at 4:36 pm on April 22, 2012

I'm simply saying that a "fictitious" character cannot be a murderer. Your argument has nothing to do with Christianity.
   

  My argument only has nothing to do with Christianity to the extent that Christianity has nothing to do with the Bible.    
  Your argument is irrelevant.


How is my "argument" irrelevant? Simply because you can't refute it? Lol, nice. That's the usual cop-out for ignorant atheists.

 

 I'm assuming you are a Christian. I am trying to discuss Christianity with a Christian in a post about Christianity. How can I do this with the assumption that god doesn't exist? Because Christians refuse to accept the burden of proof, Atheists must argue the particulars of Christianity on the only foundation it has: the Bible.  
 I don't understand what's wrong with me arguing about the particulars of the Bible with a Christian, even though I don't believe.  
 How can I refute "you can't argue about god because you don't believe in god?' You're just arguing that point because you've gotten yourself into an argument that you cannot possibly win.  
 I wasn't even bringing the idea of Biblical accuracy, or proof for the existence of god into the argument and you still lost.  
 What does that say about Christians?

 Why don't we try again.  
 And you try to argue against me without playing the "you can't talk about something you don't believe in" card.  
 Because I mean, I can argue about the particulars of Harry Potter all day and I don't believe in magic, or that any of the characters exist.  
 It's the same thing.


All right, let's start over... you called God a murderer. Now, if you're going to accept the Christian premise that there is a God (in order to make your argument), you also need to accept that He is the Creator. As such, you have to moderate your tone a bit. You can say He killed a million (or almost any number you want to use) people and I wouldn't argue that point. But, as the Creator, any life He chooses to end is His province, therefore, not murder. Job 1:21: And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.  

I do consider myself a Christian, but, a lot of my beliefs are not typical. So don't expect a "standard" response from me.


How can you honestly justify the murder of millions of women and children?

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Quote: from Waddiwasi at 4:30 pm on April 22, 2012

Quote: from Forever Angel at 5:12 pm on April 22, 2012

All right, let's start over... you called God a murderer. Now, if you're going to accept the Christian premise that there is a God (in order to make your argument), you also need to accept that He is the Creator. As such, you have to moderate your tone a bit. You can say He killed a million (or almost any number you want to use) people and I wouldn't argue that point. But, as the Creator, any life He chooses to end is His province, therefore, not murder. Job 1:21: And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.

 I do consider myself a Christian, but, a lot of my beliefs are not typical. So don't expect a "standard" response from me.


How can you honestly justify the murder of millions of women and children?


Did you bother to read what I said? And you go right back to "MURDER". I can't believe you're that dumb.

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Quote: from Forever Angel at 5:33 pm on April 22, 2012

Quote: from Waddiwasi at 4:30 pm on April 22, 2012

Quote: from Forever Angel at 5:12 pm on April 22, 2012

All right, let's start over... you called God a murderer. Now, if you're going to accept the Christian premise that there is a God (in order to make your argument), you also need to accept that He is the Creator. As such, you have to moderate your tone a bit. You can say He killed a million (or almost any number you want to use) people and I wouldn't argue that point. But, as the Creator, any life He chooses to end is His province, therefore, not murder. Job 1:21: And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.    

  I do consider myself a Christian, but, a lot of my beliefs are not typical. So don't expect a "standard" response from me.


 

 How can you honestly justify the murder of millions of women and children?


Did you bother to read what I said? And you go right back to "MURDER". I can't believe you're that dumb.

I can use other words:
obliteration
slaughter
killing

Either way, millions of innocent women and children died at the hands of God. I'm sorry I just don't understand how you can align yourself with an individual who punishes masses of people for the mistakes of a few.

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Waddiwasi, I forgave you for your ignorant attitudes in the past, but I'm sorry, I just don't think I can forgive you anymore and continue being a friend of someone so ignorant and so willing to insult religion whenever it is brought up.

Noah's Ark, much?  That's an example of justified...ah...killing (sorry, FA.  Couldn't find a better word) of millions.  God saw that the people in the towns were bad and decided to spare Noah and his family, who were pretty much the only people at the time who were good.  Sort of a "starting anew" of sorts.  Best way I can put it.

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Quote: from Waddiwasi at 4:36 pm on April 22, 2012

Quote: from Forever Angel at 5:33 pm on April 22, 2012

Quote: from Waddiwasi at 4:30 pm on April 22, 2012

Quote: from Forever Angel at 5:12 pm on April 22, 2012

All right, let's start over... you called God a murderer. Now, if you're going to accept the Christian premise that there is a God (in order to make your argument), you also need to accept that He is the Creator. As such, you have to moderate your tone a bit. You can say He killed a million (or almost any number you want to use) people and I wouldn't argue that point. But, as the Creator, any life He chooses to end is His province, therefore, not murder. Job 1:21: And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.

  I do consider myself a Christian, but, a lot of my beliefs are not typical. So don't expect a "standard" response from me.


  How can you honestly justify the murder of millions of women and children?


Did you bother to read what I said? And you go right back to "MURDER". I can't believe you're that dumb.

I can use other words:
obliteration
slaughter
killing

Either way, millions of innocent women and children died at the hands of God. I'm sorry I just don't understand how you can align yourself with an individual who punishes masses of people for the mistakes of a few.


Murder is a "legal" term and you're misusing it.

If you believed in God, you'd accept the idea that God is 'responsible' for the life and death of every living thing on this, or any other, world, innocent or otherwise. I suppose that, as an atheist, you think the end of life as we know it is the end, period. And any death that you judge as "unfair" is God killing an innocent. I don't see it that way. This life is not the end.

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Quote: from Cosmo Brown at 5:48 pm on April 22, 2012

Waddiwasi, I forgave you for your ignorant attitudes in the past, but I'm sorry, I just don't think I can forgive you anymore and continue being a friend of someone so ignorant and so willing to insult religion whenever it is brought up.

Noah's Ark, much? That's an example of justified...ah...killing (sorry, FA. Couldn't find a better word) of millions. God saw that the people in the towns were bad and decided to spare Noah and his family, who were pretty much the only people at the time who were good. Sort of a "starting anew" of sorts. Best way I can put it.


Jesus would forgive me.

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Quote: from Waddiwasi at 2:50 pm on April 22, 2012

Quote: from Cosmo Brown at 5:48 pm on April 22, 2012

Waddiwasi, I forgave you for your ignorant attitudes in the past, but I'm sorry, I just don't think I can forgive you anymore and continue being a friend of someone so ignorant and so willing to insult religion whenever it is brought up.  

 Noah's Ark, much?  That's an example of justified...ah...killing (sorry, FA.  Couldn't find a better word) of millions.  God saw that the people in the towns were bad and decided to spare Noah and his family, who were pretty much the only people at the time who were good.  Sort of a "starting anew" of sorts.  Best way I can put it.


Jesus would forgive me.



He would if you believed in him.

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Quote: from Forever Angel at 5:48 pm on April 22, 2012

Quote: from Waddiwasi at 4:36 pm on April 22, 2012

Quote: from Forever Angel at 5:33 pm on April 22, 2012

Quote: from Waddiwasi at 4:30 pm on April 22, 2012

Quote: from Forever Angel at 5:12 pm on April 22, 2012

All right, let's start over... you called God a murderer. Now, if you're going to accept the Christian premise that there is a God (in order to make your argument), you also need to accept that He is the Creator. As such, you have to moderate your tone a bit. You can say He killed a million (or almost any number you want to use) people and I wouldn't argue that point. But, as the Creator, any life He chooses to end is His province, therefore, not murder. Job 1:21: And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.      

   I do consider myself a Christian, but, a lot of my beliefs are not typical. So don't expect a "standard" response from me.


   

  How can you honestly justify the murder of millions of women and children?


Did you bother to read what I said? And you go right back to "MURDER". I can't believe you're that dumb.

 

 I can use other words:  
 obliteration  
 slaughter  
 killing  

 Either way, millions of innocent women and children died at the hands of God. I'm sorry I just don't understand how you can align yourself with an individual who punishes masses of people for the mistakes of a few.


Murder is a "legal" term and you're misusing it.  

If you believed in God, you'd accept the idea that God is 'responsible' for the life and death of every living thing on this, or any other, world, innocent or otherwise. I suppose that, as an atheist, you think the end of life as we know it is the end, period. And any death that you judge as "unfair" is God killing an innocent. I don't see it that way. This life is not the end.


Okay so to sum up:
God creates man in his image.
God creates man with flaws, which lead to his propensity for failure.
Man fails.
Instead of God recognizing that he made a mistake and being loving and forgiving, (qualities which are supposed to be inherent in Christians) God decides to utterly destroy man.

Yeah that makes sense.  

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Quote: from Cosmo Brown at 5:52 pm on April 22, 2012

Quote: from Waddiwasi at 2:50 pm on April 22, 2012

Quote: from Cosmo Brown at 5:48 pm on April 22, 2012

Waddiwasi, I forgave you for your ignorant attitudes in the past, but I'm sorry, I just don't think I can forgive you anymore and continue being a friend of someone so ignorant and so willing to insult religion whenever it is brought up.

  Noah's Ark, much? That's an example of justified...ah...killing (sorry, FA. Couldn't find a better word) of millions. God saw that the people in the towns were bad and decided to spare Noah and his family, who were pretty much the only people at the time who were good. Sort of a "starting anew" of sorts. Best way I can put it.


 

 Jesus would forgive me.



He would if you believed in him.

No, apparently blasphemy is the one unforgivable sin.
Which you wouldn't know, because you know little to nothing about the Bible.
But it's cool you're just like every other Christian.

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Quote: from Cosmo Brown at 4:52 pm on April 22, 2012

Quote: from Waddiwasi at 2:50 pm on April 22, 2012

Quote: from Cosmo Brown at 5:48 pm on April 22, 2012

Waddiwasi, I forgave you for your ignorant attitudes in the past, but I'm sorry, I just don't think I can forgive you anymore and continue being a friend of someone so ignorant and so willing to insult religion whenever it is brought up.

  Noah's Ark, much? That's an example of justified...ah...killing (sorry, FA. Couldn't find a better word) of millions. God saw that the people in the towns were bad and decided to spare Noah and his family, who were pretty much the only people at the time who were good. Sort of a "starting anew" of sorts. Best way I can put it.


Jesus would forgive me.

He would if you believed in him.

True.

If you accept the stories in the Old Testament, "killing" is actually what is inferred.

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Quote: from Waddiwasi at 4:56 pm on April 22, 2012

Quote: from Cosmo Brown at 5:52 pm on April 22, 2012

Quote: from Waddiwasi at 2:50 pm on April 22, 2012

Quote: from Cosmo Brown at 5:48 pm on April 22, 2012

Waddiwasi, I forgave you for your ignorant attitudes in the past, but I'm sorry, I just don't think I can forgive you anymore and continue being a friend of someone so ignorant and so willing to insult religion whenever it is brought up.    

  Noah's Ark, much?  That's an example of justified...ah...killing (sorry, FA.  Couldn't find a better word) of millions.  God saw that the people in the towns were bad and decided to spare Noah and his family, who were pretty much the only people at the time who were good.  Sort of a "starting anew" of sorts.  Best way I can put it.


Jesus would forgive me.

He would if you believed in him.

No, apparently blasphemy is the one unforgivable sin.
Which you wouldn't know, because you know little to nothing about the Bible.  
But it's cool you're just like every other Christian.

I don't think you know anything about either Jesus or blasphemy.

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