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If you pray for forgiveness, no.

I think you gotta like mean it and shit though.

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Quote: from Forever Angel at 1:06 pm on April 22, 2012

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Quote: from Waddiwasi at 11:01 am on April 22, 2012

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Well shit, God was one of the most accomplished mass murderers of all time.

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What's your definition of "murder"?

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Basically, the unjustifiable killing of another person.

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That would remove God from that category, then. All deaths at His hand were justified by Him, being the ultimate judge.

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That is entirely your opinion, I'm afraid.
For me, I more so consider got the "invisible, non-existent judge." And my opinion is just as valid as yours. But as it stands:

This does not include Sodom and Gomorra, plagues, famines, or Noah's Flood.
Either way if you look at just the definite numbers, God comes off looking like the bad guy.
I could never support anyone who murders innocent women and children just for the hell of it.


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Quote: from Forever Angel at 1:46 pm on April 22, 2012

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Quote: from Waddiwasi at 12:10 pm on April 22, 2012

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Quote: from Forever Angel at 1:06 pm on April 22, 2012

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Quote: from Waddiwasi at 11:01 am on April 22, 2012

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Well shit, God was one of the most accomplished mass murderers of all time.

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What's your definition of "murder"?

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 Basically, the unjustifiable killing of another person.

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That would remove God from that category, then. All deaths at His hand were justified by Him, being the ultimate judge.

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That is entirely your opinion, I'm afraid.
For me, I more so consider got the "invisible, non-existent judge." And my opinion is just as valid as yours. But as it stands:  

This does not include Sodom and Gomorra, plagues, famines, or Noah's Flood.  
Either way if you look at just the definite numbers, God comes off looking like the bad guy.  
I could never support anyone who murders innocent women and children just for the hell of it.  

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And if you're going to accept the premise of "GOD", you have to accept that He IS the final say on what is justifiable or not.

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Satan killed Job's family, his seven sons and three daughters.
Which was really just a contest between Satan and God to find out how holy Job was.
I do not accept the premise of god.
I am merely pointing out how flawed and ridiculous the premise is.

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And if you don't accept the premise "of god", you have no argument that God is a murderer. How does someone who, in your mind, doesn't exist, commit any crime at all?

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7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

9 Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?

10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.

11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.

12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.

Now that you've read verse 12, how exactly did Satan not kill them?

I have to follow along with this premise because people like you seem to run our country. I can't just ignore the fact that it's all happening and that this is what the majority of the US believes because I don't believe in it. And this topic was about Christianity, so I'm not sure of why you're even trying to make that point.
If we're discussing Christianity, I have to follow along with the assumption that God exists.
I was attempting to provide relevant information to the topic.
How is answering "God doesn't exist" productive?

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Well, no. Not unless you repented and were genuinely sorry for what you had done. If you confess your sins, God will forgive you.

If you don't, it's off to hell for you

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I forgot to mention, that is from Job chapter 1 of the King James Version of the Bible.

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And the part that says Satan killed anyone.

Again, how does a non-existent being kill anyone?

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Quote: from Waddiwasi at 2:46 pm on April 22, 2012

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I forgot to mention, that is from Job chapter 1 of the King James Version of the Bible.

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Yes, I know where it's found. You also left out the part where you don't believe in the existence of God.  

And the part that says Satan killed anyone.  

Again, how does a non-existent being kill anyone?

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Of course I don't believe in the existence of god, no rationally-thinking person does.

How else would you interpret Job 1:12, then?
Other than God giving Satan the power to destroy Job's life? Did it just happen by chance? Or are you saying that it was actually God that did it? Because throughout my entire life I've been taught that it was Satan. And that's what it insinuates in the Bible.

Okay, you keep trying to make the point that I'm arguing the particulars of something I don't believe in.
Let's think of it this way:
We are arguing about characters in a book of fiction.

You seem to be insinuating that I have no right to argue about Christianity unless I believe in God. Or that the fact that I am acknowledging the idea of the Christian God, I am "giving myself away" and really confessing that I know God exists.
Most ridiculous point I've ever seen a Christian try to argue.

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You crack me up FA.

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Quote: from Forever Angel at 4:22 pm on April 22, 2012

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Quote: from Waddiwasi at 2:46 pm on April 22, 2012

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I forgot to mention, that is from Job chapter 1 of the King James Version of the Bible.

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Yes, I know where it's found. You also left out the part where you don't believe in the existence of God.

 And the part that says Satan killed anyone.

 Again, how does a non-existent being kill anyone?

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Of course I don't believe in the existence of god, no rationally-thinking person does.

How else would you interpret Job 1:12, then?
Other than God giving Satan the power to destroy Job's life? Did it just happen by chance? Or are you saying that it was actually God that did it? Because throughout my entire life I've been taught that it was Satan. And that's what it insinuates in the Bible.

Okay, you keep trying to make the point that I'm arguing the particulars of something I don't believe in.
Let's think of it this way:
We are arguing about characters in a book of fiction.  

You seem to be insinuating that I have no right to argue about Christianity unless I believe in God. Or that the fact that I am acknowledging the idea of the Christian God, I am "giving myself away" and really confessing that I know God exists.  
Most ridiculous point I've ever seen a Christian try to argue.

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lol@FA bringing up whether or not you believe in God as somehow relevant to the discussion of Christianity.  

You crack me up FA.

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Quote: from Waddiwasi at 3:26 pm on April 22, 2012

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Quote: from Forever Angel at 4:22 pm on April 22, 2012

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Quote: from Waddiwasi at 2:46 pm on April 22, 2012

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I forgot to mention, that is from Job chapter 1 of the King James Version of the Bible.

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Yes, I know where it's found. You also left out the part where you don't believe in the existence of God.    

  And the part that says Satan killed anyone.    

  Again, how does a non-existent being kill anyone?

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 Of course I don't believe in the existence of god, no rationally-thinking person does.  

 How else would you interpret Job 1:12, then?  
 Other than God giving Satan the power to destroy Job's life? Did it just happen by chance? Or are you saying that it was actually God that did it? Because throughout my entire life I've been taught that it was Satan. And that's what it insinuates in the Bible.  

 Okay, you keep trying to make the point that I'm arguing the particulars of something I don't believe in.  
 Let's think of it this way:  
 We are arguing about characters in a book of fiction.

 You seem to be insinuating that I have no right to argue about Christianity unless I believe in God. Or that the fact that I am acknowledging the idea of the Christian God, I am "giving myself away" and really confessing that I know God exists.
 Most ridiculous point I've ever seen a Christian try to argue.

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I'm simply saying that a "fictitious" character cannot be a murderer. Your argument has nothing to do with Christianity.

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My argument only has nothing to do with Christianity to the extent that Christianity has nothing to do with the Bible.
Your argument is irrelevant.

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