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you may be a nerd but you arent too smart  
you may be a nerd but you arent too smart  
you may be a nerd but you arent too smart  
you may be a nerd but you arent too smart  
you may be a nerd but you arent too smart

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Is that a game that you're really willing to play, kiddo?

You're a troll, I'm a nerd. My Cape of Uberness gives me a +1 defense against your idiotic bullshit.

Who let him in again? Better yet, who taught him how to use copy and paste?

(Edited by DaRareBlackNerd at 10:55 am on April 23, 2006)

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Cruisin' down the street in my six-four;
Jockin' the bitches, slappin the hoes.

now, about heart of darkness: using rareblacknerd as an archetype, i think people are so hypersensitive to the mere allusion to racism that it causes them to see malice where there is none. in individuals like rareblacknerd, i call it a persecution complex.

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you need a +1 to STFU XD

now, about heart of darkness: using rareblacknerd as an archetype, i think people are so hypersensitive to the mere allusion to racism that it causes them to see malice where there is none. in individuals like rareblacknerd, i call it a persecution complex.

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Quote: from Jojo McBalls at 10:41 am on April 23, 2006

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the adventures of huckleberry finn uses the word nigger that means mark twain was obv. a filthy racist  

 thats what i'm getting from flow morphia slow's post anyway i havent read that nor will i ever

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Huckleberry Finn uses the word "nigger" to make the novel more authentic. Not only that, the word brings something to the literature based on the setting of the book.I see nothing wrong with it.

 What Flow Morphia Slow's post is adressing is quite different.

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Yep, I'm not merely talking about Conrad's use of words like 'savage' and 'monster'... and I'm not talking about the injustice of portraying Africans as subhuman...

In the book, the protagonist's mind is degenerating...he's descending into madness... and as a result he sees the tribal people of the Congo rainforest as animals who howl, leap, growl and utter animalistic sounds to each other.  All of this is excusable cos the man is going mad and is therefore becoming hysterical and irrational.

However, what makes it a racist novel is that a whole people, a whole tribe is degraded in such a way that makes them inhuman, simply to enrich the plot-line of a story that is about the experience of one European... and a mad one, at that.  

Chinua Achebe puts it more articulately than me:

"Can nobody see the preposterousness and perverse arrogance in thus reducing Africa to the role of props for the break-up of one petty European mind?"

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I'm not talking about the injustice of portraying Africans as subhuman...

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However, what makes it a racist novel is that a whole people, a whole tribe is degraded in such a way that makes them inhuman, simply to enrich the plot-line of a story that is about the experience of one European

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clarify this for me. you're saying that the protagonist is crazy and so sees the tribe as animals and thats racist because it's insensitive to portray people like that as a plot device???

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98% of teenagers have tried ass to mouth. put this in your sig if you are one of the 2% that hasn't.

To reduce the culture, lifestyle of people to something quite base is not so much racist as arrogant.  While it can be argued that arrogance does not equal racism, it sort of implies racism.

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I was drawing a parallel, not making a recollection of the film. Silly man.

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Tarnation!

Onward Vanderbilt

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She took a sad song, made it better

let me ask you this: suppose, in a hypothetical novel, the protagonist has paranoid personality disorder. this character narrates the story. every other character they come into contact with is portrayed as evil, malicious. is this novel misanthropic because everybody in the book is bad?

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98% of teenagers have tried ass to mouth. put this in your sig if you are one of the 2% that hasn't.

I take FMS' argument to mean one of perspective: If only the madman's perspective is represented in the novel, when the sane man might disagree, that situation is itself a demonstration of arrogance and racism.

In this case I find it more likely that the issue of historical racism on the part of white colonists is inflaming the issue.

TAKE UP YE BURDEN!

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as for your second point, if there were no historical context for the situation presented in the novel, i'd guess nobody would know what the hell he was trying to say.

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sure, if she was saying that the novel serves to demonstrate the arrogance and racism of a madman, i wouldn't disagree.

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No.

It's the idea of representing only the madman's perspective. Whether the madman's perspective is racist is moot.

The fact that the madman is European, and that his views dehumanize the natives, cause the singular representation of just his perspective to be racist.

Again, my interpretation of the argument.

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She took a sad song, made it better

See? You paranoids see racism, I see subtle, positive social commentary. Stop fightining non-issues.

(Edited by Apotheosis at 1:07 pm on April 23, 2006)

anyway if what you two are arguing is the basis for all criticism of the novel then i'm a little disappointed because its so stupidly selective. you didn't answer my question either.

lets say (now you have clarified further) that there is no perceived redeeming factors in any of the actions of the other characters in my hypothetical novel. does that make it misanthropic?

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98% of teenagers have tried ass to mouth. put this in your sig if you are one of the 2% that hasn't.

While I can understand why Stalin banned "Ivan", who and why where stienbeck and conrad banned?  

Oh, and On topic.....Didn't watch Jacksons version - a black n' white original....


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