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Those poor Jews
Replies: 191Last Post April 17, 2006 6:26pm by XxSacredSilencexX
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Learn something new everyday, I suppose.

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Quote: from AquaAlli at 1:40 pm on Mar. 25, 2006

They're beastly Jesus-killers! Of course people are going to pick on them!

Honestly, get with the program. Join the Nazis!


Please tell me you're joking. Otherwise I will possibly blow up.


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Who is a Jew?

A Jew is any person whose mother was a Jew or any person who has gone through the formal process of conversion to Judaism.

It is important to note that being a Jew has nothing to do with what you believe or what you do. A person born to non-Jewish parents who has not undergone the formal process of conversion but who believes everything that Orthodox Jews believe and observes every law and custom of Judaism is still a non-Jew, even in the eyes of the most liberal movements of Judaism, and a person born to a Jewish mother who is an atheist and never practices the Jewish religion is still a Jew, even in the eyes of the ultra-Orthodox. In this sense,

Judaism is more like a nationality than like other religions, and being Jewish is like a citizenship.


http://www.jewfaq.org/judaism.htm

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Actually, Judaism is a race, insofar as races exist. 90%+ of all Jews (Mizrahi, Sephardi and Ashkenazi) carry unique Semitic haploids which are not found in any other racial demographic.

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Quote: from chalkboard sonata at 2:20 am on Mar. 31, 2006

Actually, Judaism is a race, insofar as races exist. 90%+ of all Jews (Mizrahi, Sephardi and Ashkenazi) carry unique Semitic haploids which are not found in any other racial demographic.

Though the Jewish population as a whole may be genetically distinctive enough to classify as a biological race, one simply can't become Asian the way that one can become Jewish; the latter term does not refer solely to one's ethnic heritage. In that sense, Judaism is in many ways more of a nationality than a race, as it encompasses both converts and born-in citizenry.  

EDIT: Out of curiosity, does your percentage include Jews (formal converts and the like) who do not belong to Mizrahi, Sephardi, or Ashkenazi subgroups?

(Edited by quidam at 3:26 am on Mar. 31, 2006)

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It does not, no.

AND I THOUGHT YOU WENT TO BED.

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Like Christians, Jews come in all colors and races.
Jealousy of them is not only good for the world surrounding the hater, but for the hater him/her self.

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Quote: from chalkboard sonata at 4:02 am on Mar. 31, 2006

AND I THOUGHT YOU WENT TO BED.

I DID BUT THEN I COULDN'T SLEEP.

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Quote: from chalkboard sonata at 11:20 pm on Mar. 30, 2006

Actually, Judaism is a race, insofar as races exist. 90%+ of all Jews (Mizrahi, Sephardi and Ashkenazi) carry unique Semitic haploids which are not found in any other racial demographic.
Judaism is NOT A RACE!!!! It is a religion!!!!

Being Jewish is more like being part of an ethnic group but there are many different Jews. Ethiopian Jews are blacks. Ashkenaze Jews are considered Eastern European ethnically. Sephardic Jews are more like Southern European. It does not matter because we are all brothers.  

How come you guys can say that Judaism is a race and then agree with abs? Abs said that European jews are not semitic so therefore when he says something against jews he is not antisemitic. He says Jews in Israel are racist against semites.And yet you guys agree????

It does not matter what Jews do we are always wrong. We are members of a religion when people think it's convenient so ppl can go attack us and say they are not being racist. Then we are a race when people want to lump us all into some group so they can hate us all. I am so sick of it all.

If WE tell you what WE are why can't you accept it?
I gave the definition. Just take or leave it alone. The traits you mention have to do with ethnicity.

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You're not paying attention to me, obviously. I shall repeat, speaking slowly and clearly for your convenience.

Almost all Jews (including fringe groups like Falashi), retain Semitic haploid groups despite the presence of superstrate ethnicities (Ethiopian, southern European, eastern European, Indian, Middle Eastern, residents of the Caucasus, whatever). This means that the vast majority of Jews are descended from a relatively small and insular community of people who probably originated somewhere in the fertile crescent. Therefore, due to the common ancestor that is suggested in the mitochondrial evidence and the similarities in blood groups despite geographical disparity, Judaism is a race, insofar as races exist at all.

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Quote: from chalkboard sonata at 11:03 pm on Mar. 31, 2006

Therefore, due to the common ancestor that is suggested in the mitochondrial evidence and the similarities in blood groups despite geographical disparity, Judaism is a race, insofar as races exist at all.
What you do not seem to want to consider is that you can become a Jew by converting. So this is not all that Judaism is all about. WE are a NATION and a people. We can be Jews through ancestry OR through adoption and choice.

Why don't you read this book

We jews: who we are and What we should do

I understand you are not trying to be critical (or I hope not) but you are not accurate and I am trying to correct you that's all.

Besides the word Judaism refers mostly to the religion not the Jewish people. So it is not a very accurate use of the term.



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The point is, it's both a race and a religion.

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I suppose christian is a race as well then.

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Quote: from Ashigaru at 7:31 am on April 1, 2006

I suppose christian is a race as well then.

Except not really.

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It's more of a nationality than a race. Even nationality is a bad term though. I consider myself a Jew over being an American.

Christianity has no cultural similarities across national boundries. Each area infuses their own culture with Christianity. Judaism has remained relatively separate from that.


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