Hope that gave someone some insight into my twisted mind and does anybody else have ADD?

Cobalt... ADD does exsist and discipline cannot solve everything... I can't help the fact that I get distracted and I wish I had parents that cared enough to keep me on track. Most nights I end up remembering I have homework due around 11 and then I try my best to get it done by just getting rid of everything that distracts me.

ADD is not, not paying attention or inattention, in-fact I am paying attention to many things all at once, I just have trouble blocking out excess stimuli and have to focus on all of them at once. Why can I sit in front of a game (don't really do this anymore but I can still do it) for hours on end silently without tiring, because in a game I zoom in my perspective and focus on all of the elements inside the game and all the excess stimuli in the game bother me but since they are part of the game noticing them often helps...

Oh and beating a child is not the answer to any of your problems

(Edited by ranman at 6:39 pm on July 7, 2006)

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Quote: from invisible at 1:05 pm on June 21, 2006

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It doesn't even exist. Supposedly, children with ADD or ADHD have trouble staying still and concentrating. My brother has ADD and our neighbor has ADHD. Both are the same age. They can sit together, quietly, for hours on end playing videogames with the utmost attention. However, if you ask them to do schoolwork, suddenly the stereo is too loud or the blender is distracting. It's a glorified excuse for not wanting to do things that don't interest them.  

(Edited by invisible at 1:06 pm on June 21, 2006)

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Damn right.

"Possible causes? Maybe it's their diet... UHHHH... or maybe it's genetic." Bullshit. Need I remind anyone that nobody knows what causes "it?" Not only that, but THE SYMPTOMS ARE THE MOST GENERIC THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN-  
"Avoiding tasks that require a high amount of mental effort and organization, such as school projects  
Frequently losing items required to facilitate tasks or activities, such as school supplies  
Excessive distractibility  
Forgetfulness"
Are you fucking kidding me? That's a disease? No. CANCER is a disease. ADD is bullshit.

Again- there's not even any proof that ADHD exists. If it does exist, there's no proof as to what causes it. And there's no "cure" for this "disease." Does anyone know why? Because it's bullcrap. It's a substitute for discipline, which is worthless.

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I'm going to ignore the moronic comment about corporal punishment.

   You know, maybe you're right. Maybe ADHD is way too vague. Those symptoms are just blanket statements and mean just about nothing. Hey, how bout bipolar? Spending sprees and a high sex drive constitute a "maniac episode", and of course, an apathetic, lethargic feeling is a depressive episode. Ups and downs. Everyone has ups and downs. People need to quit whining about the fact that they just have naturally slow, down periods and "up", happy periods. What a pathetic excuse for a disorder.
   I could continue, and debunk the myth of sociopathic personality disorder, depression, and OCD, but you get the point.

   Well, maybe you don't. Let me lay it out then: all disorders contain fairly normal, vague symptoms. They give a short list, say that you must exhibit, oh, say... 5 out of 10 symptoms for maybe 2 weeks, and they slap a label on it. That's the jist of it. So, just about anyone has a disorder. If we follow these lists to the letter, we're all fucking insane.
    That'd be forgetting one thing though, the golden rule: You do not have a disorder unless it seriously affects your ability to function, whether it be socially or performing mental tasks. Yeah, ADHD has some pretty damn vague criteria, much more vague than a lot of other disorders. But if you meet that criteria AND it's affecting you badly enough that you can't function, THAT is when you have ADHD.

I hope that you now understand that you have no fucking clue what you're talking about when you burn the straw man.

One more thing, there are plenty of good arguments against ADHD being a disorder. I'm pretty disappointed that you didn't bring one of those to the table. Or maybe you're just trolling, in which case you should try to be funnier or more original next time.

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I consider somewhere around 98% of all diagnosed ADD/ADHD cases to be poor parenting. Sure, it's a disease and some people have it. But it's largely an excuse to medicate your way through childbearing years.

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That is BULL SHIT. I have adhd, and my sister doesn't. We were raised the same way. And that makes no sense "medicate your way through childbearing years"...I'm not pregnant and i take the meds, and they work.

I am sort of sceptical about most "illnesses" they have meds for, like social anxiety..thats shyness, they shouldn't be on meds. But I can't do anything when i'm not on the meds for adhd. My moods get crazy and i can't focus. I almost failed 6th grade becuase of it. But my mom made test into 7th grade.

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That is BULL SHIT. I have adhd, and my sister doesn't. We were raised the same way. And that makes no sense "medicate your way through childbearing years"...I'm not pregnant and i take the meds, and they work.

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MEDICATE YOUR WAY THROUGH CHILDBEARING YEARS AS IN, MEDICATE YOUR CHILDREN (INSTEAD OF EDUCATING THEM) WHILE YOU (THE PARENT) ARE IN THE PORTION OF YOUR LIFE DEDICATED (USUALLY) TO RAISING AND EDUCATING CHILDREN.

Thank you, drive through.

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I am sort of sceptical about most "illnesses" they have meds for, like social anxiety..thats shyness, they shouldn't be on meds. But I can't do anything when i'm not on the meds for adhd. My moods get crazy and i can't focus. I almost failed 6th grade becuase of it. But my mom made test into 7th grade.

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Most of the time it's a discipline issue, folks. The disease might exist, but the diagnosis rates are complete bullshit. Meaning, most of the time, when someone tells you "Oh I have ADHD it's really bad I can't focus on anything!!!" they're just dumbasses with poor discipline.

I do think that more discipline would help. I also think that if you take a poll that most kids who have it do not have parents that discipline well. I'm not saying discipline will solve the problem it will only help, the ADHD will not go away.

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I wonder if being falsely diagnosed with adhd as a small child and being forced to take the medication can cause problems with focus (like the brain developing a reliance on the drug), so that when the falsely diagnosed kid goes off the drug after a while, he'll actually exhibit real adhd symptoms because his brain is expecting that pill to produce the right chemicals for it instead of producing them itself.

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I mean have they ever done a study on it? They should just seperate a bunch of identical twins at birth, giving one twin to a mother on welfare who has a history of having kids with adhd (offer her some kind of crappy monetary incentive) and one to a family that has had really well-to-do children that succeed regularly.

Then watch.

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That way we figure out who is actually sick and medicate the shit out of those.

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It doesn't even exist. Supposedly, children with ADD or ADHD have trouble staying still and concentrating. My brother has ADD and our neighbor has ADHD. Both are the same age. They can sit together, quietly, for hours on end playing videogames with the utmost attention. However, if you ask them to do schoolwork, suddenly the stereo is too loud or the blender is distracting. It's a glorified excuse for not wanting to do things that don't interest them.

(Edited by invisible at 1:06 pm on June 21, 2006)

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Read my post. Just because it's overdiagnosed most of the time, does not mean the disorder does not exist.

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