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my brother is mentally retarded, and has adhd. making him eat better would never cure that. if you want to argue, you can live with him. make him eat healthy. i can tell you that it won't do a damn thing.  

and things like this WERE present before. same as depression, and epilepsy..  

chemical imbalances. duh.

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Seeing as the chemicals in a brain are only there because of the chemicals we call food, it would make sense that changes in the chemicals you consume would create changes in the brain, including the balance of these.

Some nutrients have been shown to increase the overall brain size of depressed adults, as well as appear to help the depression. People have always had clinical depression, as they've always had deficiencies. The change in nature and numbers of certain other disorders seems to be best explained by the fact that we're consuming chemicals and suffering deficiencies that had previously been at most, rare. No other theory (radiation, heavy metal poisoning, vaccines etc) has as few obvious holes as the diet theory, from what I can tell.

(Edited by squarepeg at 1:17 pm on May 14, 2006)

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just because they didnt have a name doesnt mena they didnt exist before our current diet.

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(Edited by jtaylordyck at 9:51 am on June 6, 2006)

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Whether or not ADHD exists I can't possibly conclude. I do believe that some people just say 'oh my kid has ADHD' because it takes the responsibility of having raised a little shit with no respect and no manners out of their hands. But I do think a lot of our brain's functions are dictated by chemicals - and we are being pumped with them the second we start receiving food from the mothership.

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As I said before though, it is diagnosed a lot in kids who don't have any problems and are just hyper/disruptive. The same goes for OCD and other things like that. Too many people try to throw meds at a problem that is totally unrelated.

But that doesn't mean the disorders don't exist.

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I'd say it's vastly over-diagnosed, but the disorder is quite real. I have it myself, and without the medication, I actually can't focus properly on anything whether I want to or not, and further, I seem to lose a lot of self-control at random times.

As I said before though, it is diagnosed a lot in kids who don't have any problems and are just hyper/disruptive. The same goes for OCD and other things like that. Too many people try to throw meds at a problem that is totally unrelated.

But that doesn't mean the disorders don't exist.

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brilliantly put storm, thank you. it may be over diagnosed, like most things these days, but that doesnt mean it doesnt exist. its overdiagnoised because medication is an easy solution to a problem ans humans always look for the easy way out

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It's deficit. DEFICIT.

...Do they have a medication for dumbassery and poor spelling?

(Edited by autopilot at 10:37 pm on Mar. 24, 2006)

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They have it, its called ADHD medicine.

The whole disease is stupid. It's just another excuse for one's stupidity. They could easily say they didn't do their homework because they have ADD or ADHD but it's all a state of mind. They didn't do their homework because they didn't want to do it. They failed all their classes because they didn't work hard enough.

The bottom line is that passing off having ADD or ADHD as an excuse for one's shortcomings is ridiculous.

(Edited by invisible at 1:06 pm on June 21, 2006)

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It doesn't even exist. Supposedly, children with ADD or ADHD have trouble staying still and concentrating. My brother has ADD and our neighbor has ADHD. Both are the same age. They can sit together, quietly, for hours on end playing videogames with the utmost attention. However, if you ask them to do schoolwork, suddenly the stereo is too loud or the blender is distracting. It's a glorified excuse for not wanting to do things that don't interest them.  

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"Possible causes? Maybe it's their diet... UHHHH... or maybe it's genetic." Bullshit. Need I remind anyone that nobody knows what causes "it?" Not only that, but THE SYMPTOMS ARE THE MOST GENERIC THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN-  
"Avoiding tasks that require a high amount of mental effort and organization, such as school projects  
Frequently losing items required to facilitate tasks or activities, such as school supplies  
Excessive distractibility  
Forgetfulness"
Are you fucking kidding me? That's a disease? No. CANCER is a disease. ADD is bullshit.

Again- there's not even any proof that ADHD exists. If it does exist, there's no proof as to what causes it. And there's no "cure" for this "disease." Does anyone know why? Because it's bullcrap. It's a substitute for discipline, which is worthless. If teachers were allowed to hit kids with rulers/paddles again, and if parents would get off their hippie asses and beat their kids when they fuck up, we wouldn't be having this problem.

(Edited by Cobalt at 12:43 pm on July 5, 2006)

And although it is generally regarded as a neurological disorder with no real cure it is often possible to overcome the symptoms, even without medication. That's the sound of you being wrong, if you don't recognise it from the above paragraph.

Finally, coporal punishment will simply hinder a person's ability to overcome their pyschological problems. Long and harsh coporal punishment on children will most likely cause repression of emotion rather than the channeled experssion it needs to be let out safely. This repression will cause problems for the unfortunate child later on in their pyschological development.

The best way to mature your mind is to talk about your feelings. Don't make up shit about pyschology and pyschotherapy.

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The symptoms of the vast majority of diseases are very vague. Way to go, doctor. A disease isn't defined as something that's easy to spot.

And although it is generally regarded as a neurological disorder with no real cure it is often possible to overcome the symptoms, even without medication. That's the sound of you being wrong, if you don't recognise it from the above paragraph.  

Finally, coporal punishment will simply hinder a person's ability to overcome their pyschological problems. Long and harsh coporal punishment on children will most likely cause repression of emotion rather than the channeled experssion it needs to be let out safely. This repression will cause problems for the unfortunate child later on in their pyschological development.  

The best way to mature your mind is to talk about your feelings. Don't make up shit about pyschology and pyschotherapy.

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That's the dumbest fucking thing I've seen on here. The symptoms are EXTREMELY vague. Almost every child exhibits them. How the fuck does "failing to pay close attention to details or making careless mistakes when doing schoolwork or other activities" constitute a fucking syndrome, Sigmund Freud?

No, that's the sound of time being wasted to fight the symptoms of a disorder that doesn't even exist.  

Bullshit. Every single one of my parents, and their parents, and their parents were beat when they fucked things up. They learned from it and grew from that. The fact that you think that if a child is more interested with watching the floor, than doing schoolwork, means that they have some untraceable and unproven disorder, is laughable at best.

And here I thought that the best way to mature your mind was to read, study, take up responsibilities, gain life experience, and learn what your skills are. Thank you Dr. Phil for telling us all that the best way to.. BWAHAHAHA!!! WORTHLESS.

(Edited by Cobalt at 10:44 pm on July 5, 2006)

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The symptoms of the vast majority of diseases are very vague. Way to go, doctor. A disease isn't defined as something that's easy to spot.

And although it is generally regarded as a neurological disorder with no real cure it is often possible to overcome the symptoms, even without medication. That's the sound of you being wrong, if you don't recognise it from the above paragraph.

Finally, coporal punishment will simply hinder a person's ability to overcome their pyschological problems. Long and harsh coporal punishment on children will most likely cause repression of emotion rather than the channeled experssion it needs to be let out safely. This repression will cause problems for the unfortunate child later on in their pyschological development.

The best way to mature your mind is to talk about your feelings. Don't make up shit about pyschology and pyschotherapy.

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Cobalt, you didn't read what I wrote. The fact that the symptoms are vague has no bearing on whether the disorder exists or not.

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