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Quote: from ManicD at 6:56 pm on Mar. 28, 2006

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Quote: from pegger21 at 2:47 am on Mar. 29, 2006

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I have ADHD, my medicine definitely helps me. I notice it, my teachers notice it, and my parents notice it. I agree that ADHD/ADD is often misdiagnosed, but it is not just a figment of the doc's/parent's imaginations.

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 But my point is more the fact that with a good lifesytle and a healthy diet this would not be a problem. mabye there is something to all this Organic stuff after all

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Healthy diet and excercise don't cure the insane.  Whos sais they cure everything else?  You are not a professional, so close your noise tube.

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you are not a professional either, but i'm dam sure you aint being quiet so i wont either.

now fuck off outta my topic hobit

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Quote: from ManicD at 8:56 pm on Mar. 28, 2006

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Quote: from pegger21 at 2:47 am on Mar. 29, 2006

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I have ADHD, my medicine definitely helps me. I notice it, my teachers notice it, and my parents notice it. I agree that ADHD/ADD is often misdiagnosed, but it is not just a figment of the doc's/parent's imaginations.

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 But my point is more the fact that with a good lifestyle and a healthy diet this would not be a problem. maybe there is something to all this Organic stuff after all

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I have a healthier diet than 90% of the population. I get my 9 servings a day and drink about 4 glasses of milk a day. I don't drink, smoke, or do drugs. I'm active outside, I listen to classical music, and I'm not depressed. The only thing I don't get enough of is sleep, I get like 5 hours a day.

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I would love to know what you actually eat in the average week, it would be fascinating for a professional to analyze the effects of the chemicals you are putting into your system, as i said, even bread has bad chemicals in it these days.

Now I'm not saying diet is the only cause, or that ADHD is not caused by medical problems but i will say that its effects and coverage of the population is amplified by the modern lifestyle

(Edited by ManicD at 3:24 am on Mar. 29, 2006)

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Even if switching to organic would make a difference, I would be shit out of luck. SD isn't exactly known for its organic produce sections.

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I would love to know what you actually eat in the average week, it would be fascinating for a professional to analyze the effects of the chemicals you are putting into your system, as i said, even bread has bad chemicals in it these days.

Now I'm not saying diet is the only cause, or that ADHD is not caused by medical problems but i will say that its effects and coverage of the population is amplified by the modern lifestyle

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The way you phrased your claims about diet suggests that you haven't done a great deal of research.  You mentioned chemicals repeatedly and then suggested organic food.  However, the only hard evidence regarding ADHD and food suggests that it's a related deficiency or that people with ADHD are incapable of metabolizing certain foods.  Thus, ADHD may cause diet changes, not the other way arround.  

But the idea that additives cause ADHD is entirely unsupported.  Sure there's an overall correlation between food additives and ADHD, but that's about all that I see.  It's just nonsense to make that kind of conclusion.  This graph illustrates my points quite well.  If you have other evidence I'd be interested in seeing it, though.

So many people are willing to go and call a disorder "bullshit" when they really have no experience with the disorder at all.  I'm really bothered by this.  Just because a few people abuse the medical system, doesn't mean that all diagnoses of ADHD are nonsense.  I suspect that you don't know the first thing about attention deficit disorders, but perhaps you have some experience with people who claim it's something that it's not, and thus you pass judgement on everyone who has it.

ADHD is real.  There are marked differences between those who actually have and do not have the disorder, and there does not appear to be a great deal of evidence that "decent dicipline (sic)" and a "healthy lifestyle" are going to make a great deal of difference, and saying "that is all" that they need demonstrates that you're simply unwilling to accept this.

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I agree with you D, I think that it is really *in most cases* just ADD compounded with a bad life style. But then again, there is the case that was made by Bizilbur saying "why not just make things easier with medication." In some situations, that would probably be unnecessary, but in others it might be justified.

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Just my two cents.

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you are not a professional either, but i'm dam sure you aint being quiet so i wont either.

now fuck off outta my topic hobit

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I also think that sometimes they go too far with diagnosing someone with ADHD. I don't think they've looked too much into and they just say "Oh, you have this."

It could just be me.

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(Edited by Forgotten370 at 5:18 pm on May 3, 2006)

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ADHD is now used as the 'easy way out'. It's far better for parents to hear some bullshit disorder, than to be told that they need to work at changing their parenting technique. Or that their child is behaving like a normal 4 year old (or a normal human being in general. Kids aren't the only ones who sulk or throw tantrums... as many children of divorced parents will admit to.)

God forbid the idea of parents getting off their ass and actually taking on the responsibilities of being a parent, instead of expecting public schools to do their job.
Nope, just label the kid with 'ADHD', and shove bullshit medication down his throat. Hey, the parents are happy, and so is the shrink, as he rakes in the money of gullible retards.

Bizilbur:

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But, what's the harm in making things easier with medication?

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Quite simply, you can never be 'sure' as to what long-term side-effects a drug might have. Especially drugs which mess with your mind.

Added to which, medication rarely treats the disease. It merely treats the symptoms. For example, taking a Panadol relieves the pain, but it does eliminate the cause of a headache.

Quote: from pegger21 at 3:16 am on Mar. 29, 2006

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I get my 9 servings a day and drink about 4 glasses of milk a day.

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'In a trial involving eight infants, chronic insomnia was traced to an allergy to cow’s milk. Avoidance of milk resulted in a normalization of sleep patterns.'
http://www.costco.com/pharmacy/healthnotes.asp?indexContentID=2461007&log=&ContentID=1222004

'...I mentioned Miri's moods and problems at school, and this kind person said, "I'm a medical transcriptionist for a psychologist; when he sees kids with the symptoms you describe, the first thing he advises they try is to take their kids off of milk." Given Miri's problems with lactose intolerance, it was worth a shot. Dave and I discussed doing this in the summer after school was out, but as Miri's grades slid down into the failing levels, and the situation became more critical, I found I couldn't stand to wait, so I searched out some milk substitutes, and we took her off of milk.

The very next day, she was a new kid.'
http://www.nowheat.com/text/nomilk/

I'd look furthur into this if I were you...

(Edited by squarepeg at 7:10 pm on May 8, 2006)

(Edited by squarepeg at 7:11 pm on May 8, 2006)

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and things like this WERE present before. same as depression, and epilepsy..

chemical imbalances. duh.

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