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( Acustico23 )
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I often find myself wishing I grew up during the early 60's. I should have been in San Francisco with the Diggers. I should have rode that bus with the Merry Pranksters, experiencing America free from thought and a head full of acid. The drug culture during the early and mid 60's was all about unifying and expanding; turning on, tuning in, and dropping out. I should have taken the acid test with legit FREE LSD being handed out by the millions of hits, not the diluted down, sold for profit bull shit that we all take today. Times have changed, the drug culture is no longer united. We are all alone, and if your lucky enough to have a friend or two that knows the true meaning of it all, congrats. But, the fact is, their is no unity in drugs anymore, its all selfish pleasure. Reagan and the war on drugs has us hiding away in our basements; snorting oxy's, shooting heroine, and chugging cough syrup. Kids are huffing cement glue and sharpies in school, and being drugged with anti-depressants, anti-anxiety pills, ADD/ADHD medication. Pure synthetic emotion. We're all fake as hell, we have so much to fight for, but we're too entertained to do anything about it. Wake up people.
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8:03 pm on April 14, 2008 | Joined April 2005 | 342 Days Active
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Pardon my French
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You're so full of shit and you don't even know it
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( Acustico23 )
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Quote: from Pardon my French at 9:16 pm on April 14, 2008
 Quote: from Acustico23 at 8:13 pm on April 14, 2008
Quote: from Pardon my French at 9:09 pm on April 14, 2008
You're so full of shit and you don't even know it 
I'm full of shit for thinking that the drug culture was better off during the 60's using LSD for expansion, compared to the pharmaceutical age that we have come to today? But, I'm sure you wouldn't have a clue about the history of the drug culture so this thread doesn't even apply to you. Grab another beer and see your way out.
You have a heavily romanticized view of the 60s and a blinkered view of the modern world.
How is my view blinkered? How is my view of the 60's romanticized? You bring a lot of criticism but fail to even express your opinion on anything I've said specifically. '60-'66 in San Francisco were just like I wrote from everything I've researched, I can't give a first hand account obviously, but neither can you. Do you even know who the Diggers were? They spent their time going around giving away free food and free clothes to anyone who wanted it. The Merry Pranksters did what I just wrote, they drove around on a bus and lived life exactly how they pleased. If they did that today, they would be thrown in an over-crowded prison system and federal dollars would be wasted on a bunch of "hippies'' minding their own business, doing no harm to others. But, I guess spreading love and preaching true freedom doesn't fit to your conformed views. Post '66 things changed, people started using LSD to get fucked up, and see pretty colors. You don't find it interesting that once law enforcement started brutally punishing drug users and anyone involved with the hippie movement, that slowly but surely the use of drugs has became shady, dangerous, and extremely selfish? Kids are prescribed Oxycontin today, and no one thinks anything about it, Oxycontin is synthetic heroine for christ sake. But, no its alright, a big pharma corporation makes it right? The government says its legal right? How is saying modern drug use has shifted dangerously because of restrictions such as the war on drugs blinkered? Its just brought on more drug use, and more spending.
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yep. sorry.. but pardon your french is right. that was an era just as filled with bad and stupid people as todays era. what do you think makes the art (which is pretty much just music) of hippies so much more unique than the punks of the 70s and 80s or the grunge movement of the 90s or the indie and alternative rock artists of today? look there have always been people who were fakes. there has always been opiates for the masses. the 60s wasn't some magical time. i think the one good thing about the 60s though was all the political activity. i do think the civil rights thing was interesting.. and stuff like the assassination's of John and Bobby Kennedy. it was a time of turmoil. maybe being at that point in history it would have been slightly less boring but you can say that about a LOT of times in history. but there were also a lot of things missing that you probably take for granted today that you didn't have back then. like the internet for example. why do kids who worship hippies assume that everyone today is an ass-clown who can't comprehend anything beyond american idol or flava-flav? the 60s was full of lame stuff too... like Donnovan. today's 'hippies' tend to be pseudo-intellectual elitests who like to think this world is too trashy for them. and instead of trying to fix it like a real idealist would they just moan and complain about people not acting like the rebels (who failed at really revolutionizing anything) did 40 years ago. all ridiculous. and the 'drug culture' was never united. every drug user is different and has different reasons for using. why the fuck should drugs even be something which unites us? i really think drugs should just be something we do and no one gives a fuck about. just like sexuality. i don't need to know if you're gay or straight if we're not fucking you know...
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Quote: from UXnIHAOnUXbmUXn at 9:34 pm on April 14, 2008
yep. sorry.. but pardon your french is right. that was an era just as filled with bad and stupid people as todays era. what do you think makes the art (which is pretty much just music) of hippies so much more unique than the punks of the 70s and 80s or the grunge movement of the 90s or the indie and alternative rock artists of today? look there have always been people who were fakes. there has always been opiates for the masses. the 60s wasn't some magical time. i think the one good thing about the 60s though was all the political activity. i do think the civil rights thing was interesting.. and stuff like the assassination's of John and Bobby Kennedy. it was a time of turmoil. maybe being at that point in history it would have been slightly less boring but you can say that about a LOT of times in history. but there were also a lot of things missing that you probably take for granted today that you didn't have back then. like the internet for example. why do kids who worship hippies assume that everyone today is an ass-clown who can't comprehend anything beyond american idol or flava-flav? the 60s was full of lame stuff too... like Donnovan. today's 'hippies' tend to be pseudo-intellectual elitests who like to think this world is too trashy for them. and instead of trying to fix it like a real idealist would they just moan and complain about people not acting like the rebels (who failed at really revolutionizing anything) did 40 years ago. all ridiculous. and the 'drug culture' was never united. every drug user is different and has different reasons for using. why the fuck should drugs even be something which unites us? i really think drugs should just be something we do and no one gives a fuck about. just like sexuality. i don't need to know if you're gay or straight if we're not fucking you know...
I have to disagree with you. I believe there was unity in drug use at one point. I most certainly do not worship the hippies, and I by no means try to mimic them. But, I can't help but appreciate a time when people weren't afraid to protest in the masses, and risk their necks for a cause. You don't see tens of thousands protesting what our government does today. Like I said, I wasn't alive during the 60's, and you weren't either. But, from what I know out of life is that I don't feel connected to a lot of people, not because I'm a rebel, not because I hate the world, not because I think there is no good. I just think people are losing touch with themselves and whats really important. I have very few friends who I can have a great intellectual conversation with. I couldn't talk to most people about politics past what is seen on network news, and it saddens me. There are a ton of people in America who care about what I care about, millions probably, but I often feel we're hidden, minding our own business like everyone else. Maybe the hippie movement is really just a romanticized fantasy like Pardon said. The hippie movement was about more than the goal of a 9-5 job, a family, big house, and three cars. Thats its appeal to me. I don't consider that rebellion, I consider that a lifestyle. I agree with you that drug use should be something not even thought about. But, that won't happen, not in our lifetimes anyway. Every generation is messed up, but I find nothing wrong in thinking that maybe, just maybe, their was half a decade where their were people like each other standing just a little bit more united.
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I somewhat agree with you. I don't like how people use drugs as a means of getting fucked up. Of course what you do is your own business but to me drugs offer a key to another part of the brain, a different way of experiencing reality and the world around us, not just some simple sensation.
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Quote: from Rikk at 12:05 am on April 15, 2008
I agree with you about the government giving people (even kids) prescription drugs that are often more dangerous than a few of the illegal ones. Sometimes I listening to my father talk about how I need to be a good man, in the sense that I need to graduate, get a job, stay off everything that he considers wrong (drugs and cigarettes, not alcohol because he thinks it's alright to drink) and spend my whole life making my parents proud by doing what they want. I think it's bullshit, I want to do whatever makes me happy. Why do I need to live that illusion of a life? Society is blinded nowadays.
i agree with this. but i don't see what this has to do with living in the past.
another thing that's not pointed out about protestors in the 60s is that that's all they actually accomplished. why should thousands of us protest in mass when it doesn't do any good? a trend of americans standing around smoking pot and holding signs didn't stop nixon, ford, reagan, cheney, rumsfeld, etc.. from happening. i think protesting is just a way to make people feel better since they don't actually know of a way to take control of what's going on and change it. i believe there really is no way to change the bad things that are going on in this world and that's why so many people have given up. you have to live with what you have. there will never be a way to feed every starving child or a way to stop every violent skirmish from breaking out. that's a part of life. if it seems like we live in a world that's rich and full of it keep in mind that we live in a world full of 6 billion people, so we might just be paying the price of overpopulation and an overstretching of our resources more than anything. i believe our government tries to keep people from thinking freely and against the government because they know they must etch a state of mindless patriotism so that they can maintain order if things start going south. this is the nature of government. the problems which lead up to today's problems with the government started during the world war II era or earlier. that was really the beginning of the 'modern' era. the world wars created a new order to the world and it responded with a new, unique vibe in the 50s, 60s, and 70s but now we're beginning to get 'strung out' from the effects of the post-war world. may seem like an archaic explanation but it is what i believe accounts for many of the things that makes us feel discontent.
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Quote: from UXnIHAOnUXbmUXn at 10:48 pm on April 14, 2008
Quote: from Rikk at 12:05 am on April 15, 2008
I agree with you about the government giving people (even kids) prescription drugs that are often more dangerous than a few of the illegal ones. Sometimes I listening to my father talk about how I need to be a good man, in the sense that I need to graduate, get a job, stay off everything that he considers wrong (drugs and cigarettes, not alcohol because he thinks it's alright to drink) and spend my whole life making my parents proud by doing what they want. I think it's bullshit, I want to do whatever makes me happy. Why do I need to live that illusion of a life? Society is blinded nowadays.
i agree with this. but i don't see what this has to do with living in the past.
another thing that's not pointed out about protestors in the 60s is that that's all they actually accomplished. why should thousands of us protest in mass when it doesn't do any good? a trend of americans standing around smoking pot and holding signs didn't stop nixon, ford, reagan, cheney, rumsfeld, etc.. from happening. i think protesting is just a way to make people feel better since they don't actually know of a way to take control of what's going on and change it. i believe there really is no way to change the bad things that are going on in this world and that's why so many people have given up. you have to live with what you have. there will never be a way to feed every starving child or a way to stop every violent skirmish from breaking out. that's a part of life. if it seems like we live in a world that's rich and full of it keep in mind that we live in a world full of 6 billion people, so we might just be paying the price of overpopulation and an overstretching of our resources more than anything. i believe our government tries to keep people from thinking freely and against the government because they know they must etch a state of mindless patriotism so that they can maintain order if things start going south. this is the nature of government. the problems which lead up to today's problems with the government started during the world war II era or earlier. that was really the beginning of the 'modern' era. the world wars created a new order to the world and it responded with a new, unique vibe in the 50s, 60s, and 70s but now we're beginning to get 'strung out' from the effects of the post-war world. may seem like an archaic explanation but it is what i believe accounts for many of the things that makes us feel discontent.
Your right, thats exactly whats happening. Protesting doesn't do a whole lot in the end, it creates some awareness at most, true. Your giving a very all or nothing explanation for things. The world will never be a perfect place, and just because I can't stop the new world order, doesn't mean I should ignore the fact that it exists. Their are things that could easily be done to make America at least a better place to live. What if eventually the majority believes in drug reform policies. That would make America a better place in my opinion. It would clear up prisons, and provide more funding for other needs. How is that supposed to happen if everyone decides to just forget about the issues because there is no way to change the bad things that go on in the world. That provides for a very grim and hopeless future.
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i think drug laws will be reformed quietly but steadily as we move into the future. the older generation who is supporting marijuana prohibition is transitioning out of power. in the future we will have a government comprised of senior members whose roots date back to the Vietnam era and junior members who are the sons and daughters of the people from that era. Also our hispanic population is rising dramatically as immigration across the border continues and the hispanic population has more tolerance or maybe it's just indifference towards marijuana laws. For some reason I believe that if Obama becomes President he will at some point try to reform drug laws, even though it's not something he has campaigned about (because it'd be political suicide to advertise it). but i understand his general idea is to change the way we're spending (wasting) government money to help us get out of this recession and large national deficit. it starts with getting us out of Iraq and shifting our budget away from military spending. by the time the next administration reviews domestic issues (it's about time they do after 8 years of neglecting them) they might decide to grow some balls and declare that the war on drugs isn't working. I don't expect the "War on Drugs" to end anytime in the next 50-100 years but I see a chance for decriminalization of marijuana and more enforced treatment vs. incarceration for hard drug offenders. the prison overcrowding issue is a big one and everyone knows most of what's causing it. we're clogging the system up with small time drug users and dealers. Back to the OP topic of the 1960s Vietnam era... I think the aftermath of the 60s and 70s still lives on in a lot of ways. I think it's just been covered up by the people with money who are working so hard to ensure that the idealism of the youth movement in the 60s and 70s doesn't spill over into government reforms. A lot of filthy rich conservatives have flooded money into backing the Nixons, Cheneys, Rumsfelds, Bushs, etc.. for public office and funding "hysteria" networks like Fox News which blasts out the doctrine of Hannity and O'Reilly. Yes it's nasty to see neo-convservatives grabbing our country by the balls, but you kind of have to expect it. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction, right? Well.. we had a lot of liberals making powerful statements and trying to swing the nations concept of our very lives in general. you have to expect that's going to make the powers that be feel threatened and that's why we've seen so much money go into the pockets of conservatives to help imprint their philosophies into the people's minds. In a lot of ways the last 30 years have been about the republicans doing damage control after what happened in the 1960s. you have to admit that their methodology of over-saturating the people with entertainment and creating 'terror' hysteria is an absolutely genius way to lead us toward the neo-conservative dream of a new world order. It seems like the truth is, no matter how ugly the taste left in your mouth is, that people like Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld have been able to subtly move this nation away from any kind of free-thinking revolution and towards a new world order. It's because these are the men who've been involved with the top levels of government for the last 30 years. I believe the ideas of the hippies (for lack of a better term) were too radical and idealistic to be realistically incorporated into our government. it was a lot of good ideas with good intentions but most protesters have no idea what's really achievable and what isn't. It didn't help that they dressed themselves up like clowns and left their families thus isolating themselves from having an effect. Timothy Leary taught us to eat acid and not worry because things were going to change. Turn on, tune in, and DROP OUT. Well it was the dropping out of society which hurt the movement. Instead of playing dress up and marching out to California to isolate themselves the movement should have concentrated on staying in our heartland communities and working to educate the rest of the people about why we need reform. I don't know.. I just think the whole hippies holding signs in tie-dye and bell bottoms was just as much a result of fashion and peer-pressure as the kids wearing saggy pants below their ass cracks in today's world. Anyone notice that the people who make the biggest difference (like MLK jr for example) walked right into the face of adversity with the intent of having a discussion with the powers that be in order to change things. But the hippies had a way of rejecting anyone who wasn't like them and refused to negotiate with the politicians they felt were evil. (same thing the bush administration does by ignoring Iran, Syria, Hamas, etc...). ignoring people doesn't work. they're still there. by dropping out of society and making themselves such a visual and idealistic extremists (to the extent that moderate individuals were forced to gawk at them) they effectively effectively HANDED power away to Nixon and beyond... Why did the civil rights movement never dress up in tie-dye and bell-bottoms and march off to California tripping on acid? Hm....
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