Quote: from Wilder at 8:12 pm on May 18, 2008
The "must be something greater" does not describe the hypothetical person that I have devised. The person that thinks that there might be something greater is an atheist because he or she does not believe in gods. 
I am not sure I agree with this point...
To not believe in a god, in my opinion of course, is different than the stance:
I do not know if a god exists, but I feel that one MUST exist. At this moment I do not now how or why it would exist, but i think that one must.
again, that is my opinion, and there probably aren't that many of those individuals out there who think like that. That is simply MY hypothetical agnostic [ha ha ha].
The distinction that I am drawing is between lack of belief and disbelief. Someone who doesn't know whether or not there is a god (what most people would label "agnostic") cannot believe in god--they do not know. This does not mean that the person actively disbelieves--that is to say, one can lack belief in god without believing that there is no god. 
Ah, ok, I see what you were saying.
I withdraw MOST of my point about all agnostics not being atheists. While I still believe that an agnostic can be more to the side of theistic idealism [while not actually believing in a specific god --which would be theism], I believe I was juxtaposing my own ideas in my disagreement with you.
I agree that an agnostic who "does not know" would, in most cases, necessarily lack belief in a god. I also agree that one does not necessarily have to disbelieve the idea of god in order to lack belief, I guess that is the difference between hard atheism and agnostic atheism.
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