However, all this hype about the books is way to much for me. They weren't THAT amazing. Everyone just thinks that because of the story line, and how much of a "total hottie" Edward is.

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Who'd ever think you'd go and end up...
Like all the other guys that I've gone and fuccked?

Post edited at 7:30 pm on Dec. 28, 2008 by GeneCosta

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Sell a man a fish, he eats for a day, teach a man
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Quote: from irishgirl23 at 9:46 pm on Dec. 21, 2008

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hes in love with her because she is so different from any other girl, no she may not be the most beautiful but its her mind that attracts people to her. she doesnt think like everyone else thats also why he cant read her mind

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For someone who "has the series memorized," you are pretty fucking clueless.  

It's her "sekrit speshul power" that she shields herself from vampire attacks. It has nothing to do with the way she thinks; it's her X-Men power that only gets heightened after she's vamped.  

Edward Cullen is attracted to Bella Swan because she smells good. The two are devoid of any real chemistry and their relationship mainly consists of conversations about "You're prettier." "No, you're prettier."

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And that exact simplicity is what attracts millions of girls and even moms around the country: we're a culture built around infatuation, and that is exactly what Twilight revolves around. This would have been decent if the author made a criticism out of what should be a no-no in her own faith, but instead Edward and Bella live up their bliss without much care in the world. It all ends - quite literally - perfect. There is no real challenge. None of the heroes lose something dear to them. There is no moral ambiguity. There is no reason beyond looks and inability to be mind raped that the love exists. It's just horniness packaged between two book covers.

That lack of struggle is the biggest flaw with the series. Look at Lord of the Rings for a good counter-example. It has a fairly happy ending at the end - the line of kings returns, and most of the company comes out alive (Boromir, Gollum, Gandalf, Theoden are really the only main protagonists who die, with Gandalf returning by book 2), but as Frodo says, "There are some hurts that go too deep." At the end of Two Towers Samwise makes a similar argument: in all true, important challenges, some part of that suffering will always remain with you - it can make you stronger, but it will still be that "ache" in your heart. Beneath the happiness of LOTR, there is still hurt. Thousands died, including Hobbits. The stewards of Gondor are almost wiped out. After the ring is destroyed, the Elves and Dwarves and Ents slowly leave Middle Earth. Frodo is partially crippled, and Sam loses all of his friends.

What happens at the end of the fourth book in the Twilight saga? Everyone pairs up. There is no harm done to the precious characters. Happiness ensues.

In short, there was no real conflict.

Post edited at 7:44 pm on Dec. 28, 2008 by GeneCosta

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Sell a man a fish, he eats for a day, teach a man
how to fish, you ruin a wonderful business opportunity. - Karl Marx

I mean, that's ultimately why people like the books: they can pretend that they are Bella Swan and have everything going well for them. That the books are poorly-written and contain absolutely no conflict doesn't matter; they're the "Choose Your Own Adventure" books for the over-eleven crowd.

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Let yourself be enchanted,
You just might break through
To ever ever after

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Quote: from 9 Volt at 11:23 pm on Nov. 23, 2008

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I can't help but wonder. If Edward really in love with Bella or is it just her blood? Doesn't she smell like flowers or some shit? :P

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Yeah!  I was trying to figure out why he loved her earlier.  So obsessed with her from the beginning, even though there's really nothing about her that's unique.  It must be her blood.  

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You should go to Stephenie Meyer's website and read the online copy of Midnight Sun. It's through Edward's perspective and it helps you see why he is in love with her. It's actually an intriguing concept. Edward tries to avoid thinking about her and completely forget about her but Alice continually shows him visions of his future love for Bella. Eventually he falls in love with her through Alice's visions.

Edward's version is so much better than Bella's. I don't know why Stephenie carried on with Bella for so long.

Post edited at 7:28 pm on Dec. 31, 2008 by kendall716

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And that so many people (girls) have read it and loved it just goes to show how stupid people (girls) are. Or how effective Stephenie Meyer is at dumbing down and grabbing an audience.

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Le monde entier dépend de tes yeux purs
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the books are amazing! im on the 3rd one just now. so far im hooked and i cant stop reading. im literally obsessed!!!
wow and edward seems well cool, like every girl would kill to have a boyfriend like him!. woowwww
i love these books!

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Every girl would kill to have a creepy possessive stalker for a boyfriend whose first thoughts about her were, "How can I kill thee: let me count the ways..."?

Guess there's no accounting for taste.

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Let yourself be enchanted,
You just might break through
To ever ever after

2. Edward loves bells becuase of her blood, no!!! He hates that it is the reason he notices her but the reason he loves her is he becuase of that second day in bio, he asked her about herself and he had found someone like him someone that intrehed him that he wanted to make her happy

3. Twilight has a bad plotline/badly writtin, twilights plotline is very diffrent from fantasy novels as it is REAL LIFE PROBLEMS in a fantasy environent I.e. Having divorced parents and having to move, a boyfriend(or girlfriend) that doesn't get along with your best friend as they think there a bad influnce( the whole Edward withthe motor thing, he thought werewolves were dangerous and he doesn't want bella in danger to him he goes a bit over the top but it's the write thing). Now the fact people say it's badly writtin with repetitio Of words it's based on a teenager, MOST teenagers often usethe same words or speach patterns allthought it may not be graeatly writtin it's writtin In a way so that teenagers can eaisly co-elate it to there lives myers purposly wrote it in that fashion so yeah

I have more to say but later typing on a iPhone is a chore
Peaceout the male twilight fan.

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I do not need a tray to kill you though I could I would hack at
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In a way so that teenagers can eaisly co-elate it to there lives myers purposly wrote it in that fashion so yeah

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That's no excuse. She clearly wasn't go for a post-modernist approach.

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twilights plotline is very diffrent from fantasy novels as it is REAL LIFE PROBLEMS in a fantasy environent

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The environment is technically real world; the characters are fantastical. And if you think Twilight is unique in this regard you probably haven't read too many fantasy novels. It's called "urban fantasy," and it's probably - at the moment - the largest fantasy sub-genre, followed by epic fantasy (Tolkien, George Martin)

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Edward loves bells becuase of her blood, no!!! He hates that it is the reason he notices her but the reason he loves her is he becuase of that second day in bio, he asked her about herself and he had found someone like him someone that intrehed him that he wanted to make her happy

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They literally fall in love at "second sight." I realize this book's author is religious, but keep praying, kiddos. That doesn't happen in real life.

And yes, their relationship does boil down to "hotness" and "smells."

When people start comparing this to Shakespeare (do teenage girls and boys not realize what "meter" and "characterization" are anymore?), I have to rethink my position about not buying a handgun.

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"Edward is perfect" no his not his potrayied to be but pointed out by him are his flaws

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The perfect adjective was used on his looks - which is, of course, completely absurd. There is no such thing as a "perfect" appearance. By stating as much you're venturing into racism, sexism, and heterosexism. Is the perfect person blond or brunette?

Again, kiddos, it's time to close the drug fiction and think.

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he hates himself for being a monster, he knows he should stay away from bella but he just can't

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That's not a character flaw.

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Sell a man a fish, he eats for a day, teach a man
how to fish, you ruin a wonderful business opportunity. - Karl Marx

I still say it's one of the better romance books of my time. I'm not a big romance fan, but I throughly enjoy the Edward/Bella conflicts and tribulations. Sure, he may seem 'stalkerish', but I'm pretty damned sure Stephenie's intention was not as ER or any others put it, but as protective. And, as for him being 'borderline abusive', he would never, and has never, purposely hurt Bella. He's sadistic, but not violent. He's a vampire, but he's not going to kill his girl, for love or life or loss or death.

The writings in this book are, in my opinion, fantastic. I find that Stephenie's ability to write almost surpasses even JK Rowling's author skills. I lost interest in "Harry Potter" long ago, and find it hard to go back, and reread each installment. But with the Twilight Series, I can read them, every day, especially "New Moon", where the character conflict between Edward/Bella/Jacob comes into play. Nothing better than a lovely love triangle.

I'm 21 years old, a female, and I often hate romances. This one hooked me, and I think it's because of the writing, conflict, and author style. It's kept me attached/hooked, and wanting more.

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*Forever & Always...Yours*

ETA: The other thing I don't get is that your post, Tigressa, just said, in essence, "Why do people have to think about what they read?" which...wow.

Post edited at 12:23 pm on Jan. 18, 2009 by exceedinglyrare

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Let yourself be enchanted,
You just might break through
To ever ever after