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LiveWire needs change.
Replies: 25Last Post May 20, 2008 2:28pm by iconoclast
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MichealRein


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TLDR and im less then a day old account so i havent reallt payed attention to anything like this

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I will forward this message to David. I think it's things like this that he needs to see.

I appreciate you coming back and explaining this. Hopefully through sharing the topic it will open some people's eyes.

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That was pretty well said. I guess it's time to grow up.

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i agree most def.   this place is a fun place and it should be.   right now there are like at least 5 support leaders on...   and i am helping 3 different people and im not even a support leader..      i mean there was just a post from a support leader saying to everyone who is PMing them to stop cause they were drunk... wow    check it out..  


http://www.golivewire.com/forums/peer-ibtypp-support-a.html#1

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let's band together and take LW over lol

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Right i know i am a support leader, however i agree some people really don't deserve the title. As there are some who give advice rarely, and they have the title for the sake of having it. To be honest their should be some demotions on the matter, because a few support leaders i don't remember seeing them reply since they have been made a support leader. However that isn't something that can be changed by us members, only the mods can make such a decision.

However i do think that some people genuinely give advice and try to make the place better, and it's a shame that they aren't recognised more. I know that this is probably a biased view however i know the support some people give and it's excellent, however from personal experience it can get too much. I've been personally drained of all my supportiveness before because of some of the eHelps I've read, yet i still try.  To be fair it can also be difficult to answer those flashy little eHelps when things are going on in my own life, and i bet it's the same for other support leaders.

It's not right for you to be refused support however sometimes people just don't know how to deal with some of the things that you need help with. We aren't professional we are people who try our best to give advice on things we understand and can give advice on however we have to remember some people need professional help.

I agree sometimes it seems about the reputation, however when i first because support leader i was a little member had only been on the site 3 months, and was still below blue bar, wanted to genuinely help people, and i feel i personally feel i deserved it. I've tried to understand and help. I know some people are only support leaders because of who they are and that does need to change, however like I've said it's not something we can do.

About you being belittled by a member that is wrong and should have been dealt with, I'm sorry that you felt you had to leave your account because of it. Nobody deserves that.

Post edited at 9:35 am on May 18, 2008 by Corrupted Innocence

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I'd find it hilarious if one day the DNS just stopped redirecting to the servers.

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I'm not sure if you understand just how knackering it is to always have to be supportive. Whilst I understand there is no need to be mean even when you aren't being supportive, you'll find that many support leaders aren't like that. I can only really speak for myself here, but I've never found LiveWire to be entirely lacking for those who needed it. There are one or two people who haven't been able to get support over a long period of time, but that is for the reason that sometimes, we just aren't equipped to deal with such problems. Support leader simply means someone who is good at offering advice. It does not mean that person is a God, nor does it mean that that person can deal with everything that every member has to throw at them. There have been one or two topics in the serious forum of late in which I have, nor has anyone else, been able to reply to. We don't reply for the sake of it, so it goes unanswered. That leads the member to think that we don't care, but that isn't the case. I know it may not apply to you, but we aren't ignoring it. We just can't help, and we aren't going to reply saying that we don't know, because that would irritate the hell out of the original poster.

I agree with you on the support leader promotions. At times, the most absurd people are permitted to keep their status as support leader, despite their current standing on the site. I believe that demotions need to be far more prolific in the cases of those who positively go against the ethos of the role. Unfortunately, those of us who are merely support leaders or of lower 'ranking', have no power to do anything about this, and thus are forced to wait until they are promoted to seek to create such change. Unfortunately, many members don't stick around until promotion, and as a result these things aren't addressed from an equal standing with other moderators. In the meantime, all we can do is report serious violations by our colleagues.

Since its creation, this site has evolved and developed beyond its original remit. The need for support is just as pressing as the need for somewhere to escape, and even to an extent, cultural interchange. I need- that's right, need- LiveWire for more than just its supportive side. I need to be able to laugh and joke with people, meet and converse with them. That need is no less than my one for support, and that need is fulfilled. It is important that you see that without its less supportive forums, LiveWire would be nowhere near as large as it is now. Because some people do have easy lives, but they also understand and can help those who don't, and without another side to LiveWire, they wont come, because they don't need to.  You could argue that people don't need to post in what they don't understand, and I agree. I think certain aspects need to be more heavily moderated, but again, those things aren't going to come about unless we stick with it and wait to make those changes ourselves.

In relation to the moderation, I would like to see another role taken on. Instead of just support leaders having the power to hide posts and move topics, I'd like to see a basic member role with the power to do this. Not everyone who's supportive can moderate, and not everyone who can moderate is supportive, so that may need addressing.

In regards to you. Bullying, especially based on something as helpless as a disability is in my opinion disgusting. For someone to put you through something that has left you with no option but to leave this site, that should have been addressed seriously, and repercussions should have followed. It seems they haven't, and for that I am truly sorry. I really believe you should make it clear to David the reasons, naming names, why you left this site. Because whether on the whole this site is supportive or not, you should never have been subjected to that, no matter what the persons role or responsibilities. And as for change? I'll do my best. I promise.

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This video, although unrelated to the thread, gives me the same drive that this thread does..


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iconoclast

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you're doing the exact same thing i poured effort in to to no avail. give up, seriously. this whole site can't be worth than the $12 it takes to become a patron

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