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Quote: from Just Waiting Here at 6:31 pm on April 29, 2008
 Quote: from Hyacinth at 1:52 am on April 29, 2008
On another note, what if those clay balls WERE just clay? What if there was no super thousand dollar jewel inside. Would it still be special? Why is the clay ball only beautiful and worth something if there is a jewel inside. Why can't the clay itself be worth it. Why must my exterior not be beautiful, and myself only worthy if there is a jewel inside me? Again, this story, and even the analogy, is horrible. 
You're missing the point... you're right... it might be nothing inside... but the point is... the initial outer barrier keeps people from even trying to see if there's anything worth discovering. Instead... you prefer looking at those that look promising on the outside, and later finding out they aren't worth shit... as opposed to those that don't look so great on the outside, but might have some value to them...
Admittedly true. However value is different, changes and is really all opinion. Some people might see the clay ball and say hey, a clay ball cool. Whilst someone else might see it and say meh, a clay ball. The clay ball has no use to me, nor me to it. Just two random objectives tangles up in a brief section of time and coincidence.
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Quote: from Hyacinth at 10:04 am on April 29, 2008
Quote: from Just Waiting Here at 6:31 pm on April 29, 2008
Quote: from Hyacinth at 1:52 am on April 29, 2008
On another note, what if those clay balls WERE just clay? What if there was no super thousand dollar jewel inside. Would it still be special? Why is the clay ball only beautiful and worth something if there is a jewel inside. Why can't the clay itself be worth it. Why must my exterior not be beautiful, and myself only worthy if there is a jewel inside me? Again, this story, and even the analogy, is horrible.
You're missing the point... you're right... it might be nothing inside... but the point is... the initial outer barrier keeps people from even trying to see if there's anything worth discovering. Instead... you prefer looking at those that look promising on the outside, and later finding out they aren't worth shit... as opposed to those that don't look so great on the outside, but might have some value to them...
Admittedly true. However value is different, changes and is really all opinion. Some people might see the clay ball and say hey, a clay ball cool. Whilst someone else might see it and say meh, a clay ball. The clay ball has no use to me, nor me to it. Just two random objectives tangles up in a brief section of time and coincidence.
It's really about a metaphorical sense and the message behind it is saying that we don't always look beyond the surface to see how people are personality wise. I admit everyone prejudges however that shouldn't influence whether or not we talk and get to know that person.
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Quote: from Hyacinth at 2:04 am on April 29, 2008
Quote: from Just Waiting Here at 6:31 pm on April 29, 2008
Quote: from Hyacinth at 1:52 am on April 29, 2008
On another note, what if those clay balls WERE just clay? What if there was no super thousand dollar jewel inside. Would it still be special? Why is the clay ball only beautiful and worth something if there is a jewel inside. Why can't the clay itself be worth it. Why must my exterior not be beautiful, and myself only worthy if there is a jewel inside me? Again, this story, and even the analogy, is horrible.
You're missing the point... you're right... it might be nothing inside... but the point is... the initial outer barrier keeps people from even trying to see if there's anything worth discovering. Instead... you prefer looking at those that look promising on the outside, and later finding out they aren't worth shit... as opposed to those that don't look so great on the outside, but might have some value to them...
Admittedly true. However value is different, changes and is really all opinion. Some people might see the clay ball and say hey, a clay ball cool. Whilst someone else might see it and say meh, a clay ball. The clay ball has no use to me, nor me to it. Just two random objectives tangles up in a brief section of time and coincidence.
I can understand that... a clay ball is just a clay ball... but again, this is an analogy... we're considering real humans. Can you really just see a human and truly deem them unworthy of your time? You may not be physically attracted to them... but would you keep yourself from getting to know them better? Would you just toss them to the side and deem them unworthy? Of course... a material object... like a ball of clay... sure, toss it. But an actual human? Are you willing to just bypass all the people in your life that you think are unattractive, just because you see no reason to see if there's any worth to them? I dunno... the thought that I could let something so... media based, to get in the way of letting me know someone is ridiculous. I don't know... just seems like we're arguing something similar, but also something completely different.
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Quote: from Hyacinth at 2:14 am on April 29, 2008
I feel that humans are a tool. We use them, for comfort, fun, friendship, love, sex. So on and so forth. Not every person you meet you will like. I will simply discard those people as clay balls. If i don't like you, i will not dig deeper to get to like you. It is as simple as that. You ARE the person we see. And if we don't like what we see, why SHOULD we bother?
I suppose it's because we come from completely different view points... but I much rather choose from the WHOLE population than only the population that's visually appealing to me. Why should I limit myself... I see no reason to. Likewise, the thought of someone judging me, and letting that keep them from getting to know me bothers me. This is one reason I truly enjoy the internet, as the image is not what matters. You get to meet someone truly by conversation alone. This being said... let me pose a question to you. If you were to chat with someone that you got along quite well with (not necessarily romantically), and eventually got to see their picture and found them less attrative. Then would that cause you to stop speakign with them...? Ultimately, what I am trying to ask you... is when it all comes down to it, which would you prefer to choose from. The outward appearance, or the personality? (Of course, ideal would be both, lol)
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Quote: from emma19911 at 6:48 pm on April 29, 2008
Quote: from Hyacinth at 10:14 am on April 29, 2008
And if we don't like what we see, why SHOULD we bother?
If we don't get to know the person beyond looks then it makes us shallow. Each person should be given a chance. I admit you can normally tell within the first 5 mintutes sometimes if you will like a person. However i think you do i some ways have a point however if we didn't bother we would be lonely people. To be honest you always have to look beyond the surface to be able to know what you will truly think of the person, just judging on looks gets you nowhere
Yes, but you are missing my point. If i need to get to know someone before dismissing them, that is ALOT of people i have to get to know. Think about on the train or bus, if someone walked up to you, regardless of attractiveness, would you ignore them. I would, i'd tell them to get the fuck away from me. They are on the train, and I have no interest in knowing them. Don't care, no reason i should.
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Quote: from Just Waiting Here at 6:50 pm on April 29, 2008
Quote: from Hyacinth at 2:14 am on April 29, 2008
I feel that humans are a tool. We use them, for comfort, fun, friendship, love, sex. So on and so forth. Not every person you meet you will like. I will simply discard those people as clay balls. If i don't like you, i will not dig deeper to get to like you. It is as simple as that. You ARE the person we see. And if we don't like what we see, why SHOULD we bother?
I suppose it's because we come from completely different view points... but I much rather choose from the WHOLE population than only the population that's visually appealing to me. Why should I limit myself... I see no reason to. Likewise, the thought of someone judging me, and letting that keep them from getting to know me bothers me. This is one reason I truly enjoy the internet, as the image is not what matters. You get to meet someone truly by conversation alone. This being said... let me pose a question to you. If you were to chat with someone that you got along quite well with (not necessarily romantically), and eventually got to see their picture and found them less attrative. Then would that cause you to stop speakign with them...? Ultimately, what I am trying to ask you... is when it all comes down to it, which would you prefer to choose from. The outward appearance, or the personality? (Of course, ideal would be both, lol)
If i got to know someone then found they were unnattractive, i'd still keep talking, because i decided they were worth getting to know. I admit i am more likely to get to know someone i find physically appealing (only when concerning women) than a woman i find to be pug ugly. Simply because it is more pleasant to be around someone that is fun to look at, than to be around someone who looks they they got shot in the face by a .22 rifle and then mauled by a burning bear.
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Quote: from Hyacinth at 2:30 am on April 29, 2008
If i got to know someone then found they were unnattractive, i'd still keep talking, because i decided they were worth getting to know. I admit i am more likely to get to know someone i find physically appealing (only when concerning women) than a woman i find to be pug ugly. Simply because it is more pleasant to be around someone that is fun to look at, than to be around someone who looks they they got shot in the face by a .22 rifle and then mauled by a burning bear.
Haha, point taken. I guess for me, coming from the other end of things (I'm probably more like the person that was shot and then mauled), it's almost hypocritical to judge :P. No, in all seriousness though, when it all comes down to it, as long as someone doesn't outwardly show rejection to someone in terms of appearance (especially for something that's out of their control), then I see nothing wrong with it. I suppose I also feel that the closer you get to someone emotionally, the more accepting you get to become of them physically. That's my thought anyway. When it all comes down to it though, I suppose here's the thing. I ~rarely~ seek people out first. If someone is going to have a conversation with me, they are usually the one's to initiate it. For that reason, I accept those that want to start a conversation (although as you said, someone that approaches me on a bus or train would give me a bit of cause to worry). Maybe if I outwardly went and seeked acquaintances, I would be able to have a similar view to your own.
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Quote: from Just Waiting Here at 7:09 pm on April 29, 2008
Quote: from Hyacinth at 2:30 am on April 29, 2008
If i got to know someone then found they were unnattractive, i'd still keep talking, because i decided they were worth getting to know. I admit i am more likely to get to know someone i find physically appealing (only when concerning women) than a woman i find to be pug ugly. Simply because it is more pleasant to be around someone that is fun to look at, than to be around someone who looks they they got shot in the face by a .22 rifle and then mauled by a burning bear.
Haha, point taken. I guess for me, coming from the other end of things (I'm probably more like the person that was shot and then mauled), it's almost hypocritical to judge :P. No, in all seriousness though, when it all comes down to it, as long as someone doesn't outwardly show rejection to someone in terms of appearance (especially for something that's out of their control), then I see nothing wrong with it. I suppose I also feel that the closer you get to someone emotionally, the more accepting you get to become of them physically. That's my thought anyway. When it all comes down to it though, I suppose here's the thing. I ~rarely~ seek people out first. If someone is going to have a conversation with me, they are usually the one's to initiate it. For that reason, I accept those that want to start a conversation (although as you said, someone that approaches me on a bus or train would give me a bit of cause to worry). Maybe if I outwardly went and seeked acquaintances, I would be able to have a similar view to your own.
I don't outwardly seek acquaintances. I don't need em. And no offense, but i bet your one of those hot girls that hate themselves. You women freak me out.
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Quote: from Hyacinth at 10:28 am on April 29, 2008
Quote: from emma19911 at 6:48 pm on April 29, 2008
Quote: from Hyacinth at 10:14 am on April 29, 2008
And if we don't like what we see, why SHOULD we bother?
If we don't get to know the person beyond looks then it makes us shallow. Each person should be given a chance. I admit you can normally tell within the first 5 mintutes sometimes if you will like a person. However i think you do i some ways have a point however if we didn't bother we would be lonely people. To be honest you always have to look beyond the surface to be able to know what you will truly think of the person, just judging on looks gets you nowhere
Yes, but you are missing my point. If i need to get to know someone before dismissing them, that is ALOT of people i have to get to know. Think about on the train or bus, if someone walked up to you, regardless of attractiveness, would you ignore them. I would, i'd tell them to get the ---- away from me. They are on the train, and I have no interest in knowing them. Don't care, no reason i should.
I get you there. However i bet if the same were to happen in a club or pub it would be a completly different story wouldn't it? Meh it's just something i found interesting to see what people thought.
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Quote: from Hyacinth at 3:07 am on April 29, 2008
Quote: from Just Waiting Here at 7:21 pm on April 29, 2008
Quote: from Hyacinth at 2:47 am on April 29, 2008
I don't outwardly seek acquaintances. I don't need em. And no offense, but i bet your one of those hot girls that hate themselves. You women freak me out.
Haha. No, trust me, not a 'hot girl', nor do I care to be one :P. Let's put it this way, about a year or two ago, many people couldn't tell if I was a guy or a girl :P. And no hate here though I can't say I love myself entirely just yet :P
I have a friend, who has a friend who i couldn't tell if it was a girl or guy. All i know was... she was hot.
Lol, well that person definitely wasn't me :P. lol.
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