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Extrasensory perception
Replies: 22Last Post July 4 7:21pm by medjai
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ESP

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Not real

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It is real; I've had too many experiences where the typical "coincidence" excuse simply cannot be used.

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Not real.

kittymunchy, that's called confirmation bias

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Its real, I've proven it with a friend, and it has nothign to do with religion :D

I'm christian, my friend was muslim, and we succesfully 'read' thoughts of the past from several close friends. We were equally surprised when we first discovered it.

Prerequisites: Peace of mind, calm environment, absolutely no mantras, focus - focus - focus as if you were interacting with the person intended.

Its hard to describe, but we used mental imagery in the mind to help . . e.g. picturing the person in the mind .  .

Give me a picture of you and I might give it a try .  .Well, kinda rusty by now though . . 50% accuracy (Hey, this is still way better than your random fortune teller) haha . .

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You can't read someone's thoughts unless they are being broadcast through some kind of medium, like a radio wave.

There is no such thing as "extra-sensory" there is just "sensory." If thoughts can be read then the human brain must have both a transmitter and a receiver. I have seen no evidence of this whatever, and so call bullshit.

Don't pretend that thoughts are magical little creations that can be "seen" or "heard." Really, that voice you hear in your head is just an interpretation of various neural jumps and synapse firings and I don't see how the fuck you could see someone else's synapses through their skull.

The entire idea that this is even at all possible without machinery is just stupid.

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however, The brain, we know, conducts electricty. Because of this there is an electromagnetic field [albeit a very minute one] surrounding us at all times. There may be those who are receptive of these fields and --while they cannot READ your mind-- they might be able to sense your general state, or emotions.

Just a thought on its plausibility...

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Explain how you can detect emotion viz an electro-magnetic field. The most that a human is capable of detecting from being electrocuted is that he's being electrocuted.

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We know two things about EM fields.
They radiate outwards from the source
They can interfere with eachother

To assume that there are some whose minds are receptive to others' EM field simply by interference isn't that far of a stretch at all.

I am not speaking about electrocution, do you deny that there is electricity in your brain?

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Quote: from medjai at 7:01 am on June 29, 2008

You can't read someone's thoughts unless they are being broadcast through some kind of medium, like a radio wave.

There is no such thing as "extra-sensory" there is just "sensory." If thoughts can be read then the human brain must have both a transmitter and a receiver. I have seen no evidence of this whatever, and so call bullshit.

Don't pretend that thoughts are magical little creations that can be "seen" or "heard." Really, that voice you hear in your head is just an interpretation of various neural jumps and synapse firings and I don't see how the fuck you could see someone else's synapses through their skull.

The entire idea that this is even at all possible without machinery is just stupid.


Thats why theres a part called the subconcious - While its true there are skills like cold reading - The tests that I did with my friend had no connection with the subjects at all, we never knew their past - AND in the process we were affected by our own imagination, but of all the items written down, about half were accurate right down to pinpoint accuracy - The images we saw, were from a first person POV, exactly as the subject described it. The more traumatic or significant the memory was, the more vivid the image was. All the items we 'read' were of events - because that cannot be pushed aside by just using the excuse were using stupid Barnum statements. What we 'read' were real - precise, as accurately as the subject remembered it. If the subject could'nt recognize the memory well, it was exactly the same on our side (the image was hard to describe).

Even as of now, we still don't really understand our own brain functions, just how in the world can you just jam in molecules together and 'make' it smart? How can perception exists, when if we look at it from a scientific POV, it's just a bunch of 'stuff'? Computers are the same, they can't learn independently (unless programmed by a being capable of learning independently)

Animal instincts are also related to the subconcious - How the hell do they know where to go without a map? There have been so many cases of our own instincts protecting us from harm subconciously, rather than direct action. The term deja-vu would never really be coined unless it really did happen for the first time.

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I'm sticking with the EM field theory on ESP, you can keep your "you can't just jam a bunch of molecules together and call it smart" philosophy, I don't really buy that...

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Here is a nice little objective test for you, Uruz, tell me what's going on in this picture of just my face, tell me if you can:

1. Where I am.
2. What I'm doing.
3. How many people I'm with..
4. What they are doing.
5. What I'm thinking about at that moment, or what I'm thinking about now, either one's fine with me.

You're going to fail because you don't have any magical perception abilities, especially not from looking at a fucking picture.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=952292&l=c7d5a&id=729967734

Good luck!

As for electromagnetic field theory, this is just retarded. Your brain may emit electricity, but it does not do so in an intelligible manner, it does not emit radio waves, and the human brain has no mechanism for receiving a returned "signal" even if their were one. More importantly though, the brain does not "send" electrical signals into space that are in any way decipherable whatsoever, in other words, when you think to yourself, "Man this ESP shit is such a joke" it doesn't send out an electrical signal specific to that thought pattern, it is not a radio wave. The human brain doesn't generate enough wattage in a short enough period of time to have it's "electromagnetic field" do anything but be absorbed by your skull or bounced back towards your brain, in other words, this shit you're talking about doesn't travel into space.

Most importantly though, even if it did travel into space, as if someone could "receive" these signals they'd be interpreted like this "bzzrrrrrrrrbzzzzzzbrrrrrrrr" and you would not be able to translate them into anything understandable because language is learned and taught, not inherant.

In other words, if you raise a child feral and never speak around the infant, until he's like ten years old, he'll never be able to learn any language. Your "electromagnetic receiver" is ABSOLUTELY 100% feral, even if you are some evolutionary exception that somehow magically has one, and so for all intents and purposes, it's useless trash and would just be annoying as fuck rather than useful in any way whatsoever.

Keep living your fantasy though, have fun with that. It's too bad that you don't realize that just because something emits electricity doesn't mean it can be interpreted into tangible language, only AUDIBLE tangible language or TEXT or PHOTOGRAPHS, can be transmitted by radio waves, and guess what, the stuff that your brain believes to be any of those three things when you're imagining shit or monologuing mentally, isn't.

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Medjai, I think you are misunderstanding me.
I am not making a claim that it is true, its an idea.

I am also not making the claim that such an EM field would emit "thoughts", but it COULD in theory be interpreted as different states of mind/emotional states. Happy might have a denser field than sadness, lieing might have a denser field than truth, etc.

As for the rest, you have the notion that I claimed that your thoughts could be interpreted like language, I made no such claims. Only that the EM field, however faint, could be picked up by a receiving end, and interpreted as it would if the same field was generated by the receiving brain.

You've assumed about 100X more than I ever even noted in my post... You've got quite the imagination there.

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What would "interpret" this field, you're still failing to grasp the fact that interpretation requires a medium of understanding and an education in that medium, and that there i no opportunity of this to occur in a human life cycle. Just as a man is not born with the ability to sculpt Michaelangelo's David, man is not born with the ability. I am not imagining anything, Event Horizon, our interpretation and understanding of emotion is entirely language derived,  and requires a linguistic understanding to be defined and categorized whatsoever, I am saying that these electromagnetic fields can't interfere with each other and that yes, your idea IS a huge stretch of reality.

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