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Quote: from Micus at 11:38 pm on June 22, 2008

Quote: from Soren Kierkegaard at 2:34 am on June 23, 2008
Quote: from Micus at 5:28 pm on June 22, 2008
Quote: from Soren Kierkegaard at 7:38 pm on June 22, 2008
2. One accepts Christ readily through the power and understanding of the act of Baptism, itself. Where it continually cleanses us by the blood of his sacrifice, and the act of baptism is yet an act of Submission through means Salvation, not condemnation.

Really? Damn, I should have kept that in mind when I was baptized. Oh wait, I was days old. My bad.

You're the only one advocating the necessity of infant baptism, not me; therefore, you still have yet to provide a verse that explicitly condemns an unbaptized infant.

Now see, this is where interpretation comes into play. I say when Jesus says a man he is referring to humanity, as he usually does, not specifically adults.
.You on the other hand think otherwise. To debate this any longer would just be messing with semantics.

1. Absolutely nowhere within the Biblical passages is it explicitly written that children require baptism as means of salvation prior to their age of self actualization, or understanding of sin, itself. Those who advocate the necessity are reading far too much into the family conversions expressed in Acts, but nowhere is it written that children are baptized in the Holy Spirit alongside their adult family members. In fact, this is what we'd refer to as a presumption of knowledge without knowing otherwise.

2. You're the one condemning children incapable of not only understanding the necessity or means of salvation, but require an action absolutely no more meaningful than a mere nightly bath. The one verse that you've mentioned specifically deals with one's choice to accept their rebirth, not an action void of recognition. Enthusiasm for condemning children you have, but a basic understanding both of mode and manner for necessity of baptism you have not.

3. John the Baptist referred to his baptism as a Baptism of Repentance, but that the Son of Man would come Baptize with Fire, which is a reference to the Holy Spirit. Please tell me what an infant or young child is capable both of understanding the necessity of godliness if they have a finite grasp over the concept of wrong beyond merely what their family teaches as necessity? What wrongs have they committed that warrant the need for repentance if their understanding of sin is shallow, or nonexistent at best?

Post edited at 11:57 pm on June 22, 2008 by Soren Kierkegaard

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