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sometimes god gives us tests in life to prove our faith

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sometimes retards never know that they're retarded.

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Quote: from LindaRains93 at 8:39 pm on June 21, 2008

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sometimes god gives us tests in life to prove our faith

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Have a think about what you're saying for a second. So i guess the Jews in the holocaust were just being tested? Okay maybe that's a bad example because you probably think the Jews are misguided in their beliefs or whatever, let's take any starving christian kid on the brink of death anywhere in the world (don't worry there's plenty of places to chose from) that's a pretty tough "test" much tougher than most (possibly all) people on this forum will ever have to face. All I'm saying is that it's easy to casually dismiss the suffering of others as a "test of faith" from the comfort of your own computer.

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Quote: from LindaRains93 at 8:39 pm on June 21, 2008

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sometimes god gives us tests in life to prove our faith

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Have a think about what you're saying for a second. So i guess the Jews in the holocaust were just being tested? Okay maybe that's a bad example because you probably think the Jews are misguided in their beliefs or whatever, let's take any starving christian kid on the brink of death anywhere in the world (don't worry there's plenty of places to chose from) that's a pretty tough "test" much tougher than most (possibly all) people on this forum will ever have to face. All I'm saying is that it's easy to casually dismiss the suffering of others as a "test of faith" from the comfort of your own computer.

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What's interesting is that's how a lot of them saw it, and what's even more interesting is that nothing that the angsty teenagers of today can think of or go through even remotely compares to what they went through, and yet they still had faith in God (they being the Jews, not the angsty teenagers).

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That's killing them off in a horrible way before they can even be BAPTIZED. Sweet god we got up there, lookin out for us.

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Just think about harlequin babies for a second.

That's killing them off in a horrible way before they can even be BAPTIZED. Sweet god we got up there, lookin out for us.

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Quote: from Micus at 9:13 am on June 22, 2008

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Just think about harlequin babies for a second.  

 That's killing them off in a horrible way before they can even be BAPTIZED. Sweet god we got up there, lookin out for us.

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Please, please do not advocate the necessity of infant baptism as means for salvation.

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Well, where do they go?

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Educators destroy your brain,
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Quote: from Soren Kierkegaard at 3:26 pm on June 22, 2008

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Quote: from Micus at 9:13 am on June 22, 2008

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Just think about harlequin babies for a second.  

  That's killing them off in a horrible way before they can even be BAPTIZED. Sweet god we got up there, lookin out for us.

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Please, please do not advocate the necessity of infant baptism as means for salvation.

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Well, where do they go?

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"God does play dice" - Stephen Hawking

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Quote: from Micus at 2:49 pm on June 22, 2008

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Quote: from Soren Kierkegaard at 3:26 pm on June 22, 2008

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Quote: from Micus at 9:13 am on June 22, 2008

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Just think about harlequin babies for a second.  

  That's killing them off in a horrible way before they can even be BAPTIZED. Sweet god we got up there, lookin out for us.

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Please, please do not advocate the necessity of infant baptism as means for salvation.

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 Well, where do they go?

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"But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven."  

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John 3:5
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

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Quote: from Forever Angel at 5:05 pm on June 22, 2008

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Quote: from Micus at 2:49 pm on June 22, 2008

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Quote: from Soren Kierkegaard at 3:26 pm on June 22, 2008

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Quote: from Micus at 9:13 am on June 22, 2008

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Just think about harlequin babies for a second.  

   That's killing them off in a horrible way before they can even be BAPTIZED. Sweet god we got up there, lookin out for us.

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Please, please do not advocate the necessity of infant baptism as means for salvation.

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  Well, where do they go?

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"But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven."
 

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John 3:5
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

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Quote: from Micus at 2:22 pm on June 22, 2008

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John 3:5
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

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A Child has absolutely no concept or recognition over sin or the meaning of choice; therefore, how would performing an action that they haven't any knowledge over the significance beforehand, during, or afterward is beneficial how again?

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Doesn't really matter when you factor in original sin. Isn't that the whole point of baptism? To wash away original sin?

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And John 3:5 requires both self actualization and a greater understanding over the meaning of rebirth under the teachings of Jesus, the Christ.

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Really? Where does it say that? John 3:5 is extremely clean cut.

Post edited at 4:10 pm on June 22, 2008 by Micus

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Quote: from Soren Kierkegaard at 7:05 pm on June 22, 2008

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Quote: from Micus at 2:22 pm on June 22, 2008

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John 3:5  
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

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A Child has absolutely no concept or recognition over sin or the meaning of choice; therefore, how would performing an action that they haven't any knowledge over the significance beforehand, during, or afterward is beneficial how again?

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Doesn't really matter when you factor in original sin. Isn't that the whole point of baptism? To wash away original sin?  

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And John 3:5 requires both self actualization and a greater understanding over the meaning of rebirth under the teachings of Jesus, the Christ.

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Really? Where does it say that? John 3:5 is extremely clean cut.

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2. The concept of Original Sin impacting the religious understanding of infant children is extra-Biblical under Augustine of Hippo, not Jesus. Once more, if you read his book Confessions, he argues that choice is quite literally nonexistent namely due to God deciding to teach you through your sinful behavior? Justification of sin if it were a teaching tool, not the recognition of Jesus' continual cleansing of salvation before, during, and after one's acceptance in his teachings.

How can an infant possibly comprehend this decision?

3. You fail to produce a verse that explicitly condemns the infant if they hadn't been forcibly immersed or sprinkled with water before their deaths. In fact, I will go so far as to tell you that once again, the idea which condemns children is an extra-Biblical, not scripturally based or condoned.

Post edited at 4:20 pm on June 22, 2008 by Soren Kierkegaard

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1. John 3:5 explained this concept to a full-grown Pharisee, not a infant.

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Ignorance of the law is no excuse. When Jesus says, "I tell you the truth, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God", are you going to be the one to stand up and call him a liar?

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2. The concept of Original Sin impacting the religious understanding of infant children is extra-Biblical under Augustine of Hippo, not Jesus.  Once more, if you read his book Confessions, he argues that choice is quite literally nonexistent namely due to God deciding to teach you through your sinful behavior?  Justification of sin if it were a teaching tool, not the recognition of Jesus' continual cleansing of salvation before, during, and after one's acceptance in his teachings.  

How can an infant possible comprehend this decision?

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If that's the case, then why do we get them baptized at ALL? After all, they have no idea whats going on and as such it shouldn't be necessary to baptize them. But we do.

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3. You fail to produce a verse that explicitly condemns the infant if they hadn't been forcibly immersed or sprinkled with water before their deaths.  In fact, I will go so far as to tell you that once again, the idea which condemns children is an extra-Biblical, not scripturally based or condoned.

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Hey, all I'm going on is the Bible. It says you can't enter the kingdom of heaven if you aren't baptized. You're the one making up extraneous stuff. Forever Angel's quote was WAY more vague.

Post edited at 4:31 pm on June 22, 2008 by Micus

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Educators destroy your brain,
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Quote: from Soren Kierkegaard at 7:17 pm on June 22, 2008

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1. John 3:5 explained this concept to a full-grown Pharisee, not a infant.

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Ignorance of the law is no excuse. When Jesus says, "I tell you the truth, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God", are you going to be the one to stand up and call him a liar?

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2. The concept of Original Sin impacting the religious understanding of infant children is extra-Biblical under Augustine of Hippo, not Jesus.  Once more, if you read his book Confessions, he argues that choice is quite literally nonexistent namely due to God deciding to teach you through your sinful behavior?  Justification of sin if it were a teaching tool, not the recognition of Jesus' continual cleansing of salvation before, during, and after one's acceptance in his teachings.  

 How can an infant possible comprehend this decision?

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If that's the case, then why do we get them baptized at ALL? After all, they have no idea whats going on and as such it shouldn't be necessary to baptize them. But we do.

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3. You fail to produce a verse that explicitly condemns the infant if they hadn't been forcibly immersed or sprinkled with water before their deaths.  In fact, I will go so far as to tell you that once again, the idea which condemns children is an extra-Biblical, not scripturally based or condoned.

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Hey, all I'm going on is the Bible. It says you can't enter the kingdom of heaven if you aren't baptized. You're the one making up extraneous stuff.

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John 3:16-21 specifically mentions the significance of proper choice of acceptance in Jesus' teachings, not condemnation of infants incapable both of self actualization and preference of choice.

2. One accepts Christ readily through the power and understanding of the act of Baptism, itself.  Where it continually cleanses us by the blood of his sacrifice, and the act of baptism is yet an act of Submission through means Salvation, not condemnation.

3. You haven't said anything explicitly used to condemnation of infants in the passage provided.  In fact, what you're arguing lacks both a fundemental understanding of basic Christian doctrine in terms of salvation, and adherence to extra-Biblical teachings as if they were inspired themselves.

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