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Post edited at 10:05 am on June 24, 2008 by FurryPanther

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Where the dead men lost their bones.

And just beacuse people are traveling faster then the limit doesn't mean the speed limit is useless or old or out dated. People choose to go said faster then limit.

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Quote: from prisoner of hss at 5:41 pm on June 24, 2008

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Quote: from marshmellowman at 12:39 pm on June 24, 2008

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That's fucking idiotic. Just because everyone speeds doesn't make the law stupid, nor does it mean that the law must change because the majority are going fast.

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yeah it does  

85th percentile rule etc

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The Senate and the House of Representatives set the law, not the majority population. Eh, only to an extent and even that doesn't work because of bureaucratic reasons and political agendas.

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The speed limit should be 50 for cars and 40 for trucks with trailers.  Everyone would get a 50% increase in fuel efficiency and food would be less expensive.  In fact, cars and trucks should be programmed to never exceed 60mph.  Also, breaking the speed law should be a federal offense with a fine of up to $5,000,000 depending on your tax bracket.  The national debt would be gone in no time.  The world would be saved.

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you are retarded.

Post edited at 12:25 pm on June 24, 2008 by tempoluvver69

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Quote: from shadowpool at 9:48 am on June 24, 2008

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The speed limit should be 50 for cars and 40 for trucks with trailers. Everyone would get a 50% increase in fuel efficiency and food would be less expensive. In fact, cars and trucks should be programmed to never exceed 60mph. Also, breaking the speed law should be a federal offense with a fine of up to $5,000,000 depending on your tax bracket. The national debt would be gone in no time. The world would be saved.

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And no you wont get a 50% increase in fuel efficiency. Some cars dont even shift into the top gear at 50. I get about 22mpg going 50 and around 19 going 70... its a difference but not huge. The reason food prices are high is because of the diesel needed to produce and transport food. Shit lowering the speed limits would make food more expensive. Modern diesel engines use e.g.r. because of emissions laws. The engines are actually more efficient under higher loads. My stepdads truck (diesel) gets 17mpg going 80 and 15 going 60.

you are retarded.

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I wasn't talking about YOU.  I was talking about averages.  All engines are more efficient at higher loads.  But speed causes an amazing increase in drag.  It doesn't matter how efficiently the engine is turning fuel into energy if almost all of that energy is used up in overcoming the drag.

And yes, 50% was an exaggeration.  So was paying off the national debt and saving the world.  You didn't catch that?  

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You create your past.

Driving a smaller car (1.6l is tiny by American standards) I have achieved over 30mpg going 90mph 2 hours.  That is with a massive tailwind of though.  

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Quote: from prisoner of hss at 5:41 pm on June 24, 2008

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Quote: from marshmellowman at 12:39 pm on June 24, 2008

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That's fucking idiotic. Just because everyone speeds doesn't make the law stupid, nor does it mean that the law must change because the majority are going fast.

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yeah it does

85th percentile rule etc

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The Senate and the House of Representatives set the law, not the majority population. Eh, only to an extent and even that doesn't work because of bureaucratic reasons and political agendas.

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funny enough, i just got off the garden state parkway, utterly horrible, on the 45 mph bridge section, aggressive driving gets about 20 times worse than the 65 sections, because, again, some people are going 55 while most people are doing the usual 70-80

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and yeah it does make the limit wrong, speed limit too low is unsafe because a few people create aggressive driving by obeying or sort of obeying it to avoid a ticket while everyone else was zooming by

funny enough, i just got off the garden state parkway, utterly horrible, on the 45 mph bridge section, aggressive driving gets about 20 times worse than the 65 sections, because, again, some people are going 55 while most people are doing the usual 70-80

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You completely contradict all common sense in your own post. The limit is not wrong because people get aggressive and speed, the people speeding are wrong for being aggressive drivers. Aggressive drivers are shown to cause more accidents then other drivers.

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no, the limit is wrong because it causes aggressive driving as a result of disruptions in traffic flow. people will not slow down below 70-90 on the interstate GET OVER IT

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So because people choose to break the law and be idiots the law is wrong? ROFL

And people do go the speed limit on the interstate, and rarely do I see any flying past me at 90, or even 80.

Maybe you need to look around other areas besides yours before making such blanket statements.

I don't know where you live, the country? Cause I know people around city areas drive real fast, I was mostly referring to here though. And why are people idiots for caring about their own safety? It's unsafe to drive 55 mph in a 55 zone on the garden state parkway.

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I've been through Chicago and even on the main loops people aren't going 20 or more over.

Its not a hard concept to grasp, speeding is not good and your arguments hold no leverage in any light, your 85th percentile arguments are misguided and over used.

im really surprised at that, does that include rush hour? when its 55 here, most people are going 80. and 'speeding' is an arbitrary construct, but i dont want to start this again with you because it will go absolutely nowhere

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