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Whether you believe in God or not
Replies: 63Last Post July 5 7:37pm by victoria4951ct
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Quote: from Forever Angel at 4:19 am on June 27, 2008

Quote: from nigeltheoutlaw at 10:39 pm on June 22, 2008

Quote: from morik at 3:26 pm on June 22, 2008

God comes from our mind. He is, by default, what we assign to things we don't yet understand. Such as the cause of the universe.
 

 We do understand the beginning of the universe now, just some people are being stubborn about it.


Not really.

Yes, the Big Bang Theory explains the majority of it quite well. I will admit there are inconsistencies, but we still know most of it.

(Just to avoid any idiotic replies,  Theory definition: A coherent group of general propositions used as principles of explanation for a class of phenomena: Einstein's theory of relativity.

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Quote: from nigelthgetpreviewHTML('previewdiv','text1','preview');showPP();
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at 3:04 pm on June 27, 2008

Quote: from Forever Angel at 4:19 am on June 27, 2008

Quote: from nigeltheoutlaw at 10:39 pm on June 22, 2008

Quote: from morik at 3:26 pm on June 22, 2008

God comes from our mind. He is, by default, what we assign to things we don't yet understand. Such as the cause of the universe.
 

  We do understand the beginning of the universe now, just some people are being stubborn about it.


Not really.

Yes, the Big Bang Theory explains the majority of it quite well. I will admit there are inconsistencies, but we still know most of it.

(Just to avoid any idiotic replies,  Theory definition: A coherent group of general propositions used as principles of explanation for a class of phenomena: Einstein's theory of relativity.


Sweetie, I probably understand the definition of scientific theories at least as well as you do.

The "Big Bang Theory" only concerns the original expansion (unknown cause) of a "singularity" (unknown origin) into the universe. That's it, that's all.

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Quote: from Forever Angel at 1:14 pm on June 27, 2008

Quote: from nigelthgetpreviewHTML('previewdiv','text1','preview');showPP();  
Post Previeweoutlaw
at 3:04 pm on June 27, 2008

Quote: from Forever Angel at 4:19 am on June 27, 2008

Quote: from nigeltheoutlaw at 10:39 pm on June 22, 2008

Quote: from morik at 3:26 pm on June 22, 2008

God comes from our mind. He is, by default, what we assign to things we don't yet understand. Such as the cause of the universe.
   

   We do understand the beginning of the universe now, just some people are being stubborn about it.


Not really.

 

 Yes, the Big Bang Theory explains the majority of it quite well. I will admit there are inconsistencies, but we still know most of it.  

 (Just to avoid any idiotic replies,  Theory definition: A coherent group of general propositions used as principles of explanation for a class of phenomena: Einstein's theory of relativity.


Sweetie, I probably understand the definition of scientific theories at least as well as you do.  

The "Big Bang Theory" only concerns the original expansion (unknown cause) of a "singularity" (unknown origin) into the universe. That's it, that's all.


So you want to know the origin of the Point of Origin, and the actual cause of the Big Bang?

Post edited at 1:22 pm on June 27, 2008 by nigeltheoutlaw

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Quote: from nigeltheoutlaw at 3:21 pm on June 27, 2008

So you want to know the origin of the Point of Origin, and the actual cause of the Big Bang?
Do you know that actual cause? The point I was making is that we don't know. Are you about to prove me wrong?

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Quote: from Forever Angel at 1:26 pm on June 27, 2008

Quote: from nigeltheoutlaw at 3:21 pm on June 27, 2008

So you want to know the origin of the Point of Origin, and the actual cause of the Big Bang?
Do you know that actual cause? The point I was making is that we don't know. Are you about to prove me wrong?

We were on the wrong page. The Point of Origin's expansion can not yet be explained, and at this time can be attributed to a higher power. however, saying so would prove a large part of the Christian bible false, as well as many other religions and holy books.

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im talking about the OP.

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Quote: from nigeltheoutlaw at 1:42 pm on June 27, 2008

saying so would prove a large part of the Christian bible false, as well as many other religions and holy books.

No it wouldn't. If you do not accept a literal interpretation of Genesis, accepting the Big Bang theory does not affect Christianity at all.

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Please note that the Big Bang only accounts for our current universe. There could have been hundreds, or hundreds of billions of Big Bangs. This does not account for the actual origin of the universe as a whole in energy form (purest form).

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Quote: from nigeltheoutlaw at 3:42 pm on June 27, 2008

Quote: from Forever Angel at 1:26 pm on June 27, 2008

Quote: from nigeltheoutlaw at 3:21 pm on June 27, 2008

So you want to know the origin of the Point of Origin, and the actual cause of the Big Bang?
Do you know that actual cause? The point I was making is that we don't know. Are you about to prove me wrong?

We were on the wrong page. The Point of Origin's expansion can not yet be explained, and at this time can be attributed to a higher power. however, saying so would prove a large part of the Christian bible false, as well as many other religions and holy books.


As Shaknbake said, the "Big Bang" actually fits into Genesis pretty well from a Christian point of view. Did you know that a Catholic priest who also happened to be a scientist first proposed the idea that came to be known as the "Big Bang"? His name was Georges Lemaître. Look it up.

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I don't know yet,science is a process.

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Quote: from Forever Angel at 7:48 pm on June 27, 2008

Quote: from nigeltheoutlaw at 3:42 pm on June 27, 2008

Quote: from Forever Angel at 1:26 pm on June 27, 2008

Quote: from nigeltheoutlaw at 3:21 pm on June 27, 2008

So you want to know the origin of the Point of Origin, and the actual cause of the Big Bang?
Do you know that actual cause? The point I was making is that we don't know. Are you about to prove me wrong?

 

 We were on the wrong page. The Point of Origin's expansion can not yet be explained, and at this time can be attributed to a higher power. however, saying so would prove a large part of the Christian bible false, as well as many other religions and holy books.


As Shaknbake said, the "Big Bang" actually fits into Genesis pretty well from a Christian point of view. Did you know that a Catholic priest who also happened to be a scientist first proposed the idea that came to be known as the "Big Bang"? His name was Georges Lemaître. Look it up.

Shak'n'bake didn't say the Big Bang fit in well with Genesis, he said it doesn't contradict it if you don't take Genesis literally.

It's not particular shocking that a Catholic was a scientist. There are quite a few Christian scientists. From what a few of them have told me, they keep science in one area of thought, and their religion in another, because they admit they frequently contradict each other.

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Quote: from nigeltheoutlaw at 11:16 pm on June 27, 2008

Shak'n'bake didn't say the Big Bang fit in well with Genesis, he said it doesn't contradict it if you don't take Genesis literally.  

It's not particular shocking that a Catholic was a scientist. There are quite a few Christian scientists. From what a few of them have told me, they keep science in one area of thought, and their religion in another, because they admit they frequently contradict each other.


They don't address the same issues, how do they contradict each other?

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I dont know yet,but I'll keep searching.


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Quote: from Forever Angel at 8:11 pm on June 30, 2008

Quote: from nigeltheoutlaw at 11:16 pm on June 27, 2008

Shak'n'bake didn't say the Big Bang fit in well with Genesis, he said it doesn't contradict it if you don't take Genesis literally.

 It's not particular shocking that a Catholic was a scientist. There are quite a few Christian scientists. From what a few of them have told me, they keep science in one area of thought, and their religion in another, because they admit they frequently contradict each other.


They don't address the same issues, how do they contradict each other?

Homosexuality is unnatural-Christian
Homosexuality has been frequently observed in the wild-science

The Earth was created in 6 days and is only 6,000 years old-Christianity
The Earth did not form in only six days and is over 4 billion years old-science

Adam and Eve were the first humans and there is no evolution-Christianity
Humans and apes evolved from a common ancestor-science

The Earth is flat-Christianity
The Earth is a globe-science

The solar system is geo-centric-Christianity
The planets orbit around the sun-science

That is a sample of some of them.

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Hoo boy. This was embarrassing to read.

Quote: from nigeltheoutlaw at 3:00 am on July 1, 2008


Homosexuality is unnatural-Christian
Homosexuality has been frequently observed in the wild-science

Where does the Bible say that homosexuality is unnatural? The strictest interpretations say that homosexual sex is a sin, but they also say that many "natural" things are sins.


The Earth was created in 6 days and is only 6,000 years old-Christianity
The Earth did not form in only six days and is over 4 billion years old-science

Where does the Bible say that the Earth is only 6000 years old? The strictest literal interpretations of Genesis say that the Earth hwas created in 6 days, but where does the Bible say anything about the age of the Earth?


Adam and Eve were the first humans and there is no evolution-Christianity
Humans and apes evolved from a common ancestor-science

Where does the Bible say that there is no evolution?


The Earth is flat-Christianity
The Earth is a globe-science

Where does the Bible say that the Earth is flat?


The solar system is geo-centric-Christianity
The planets orbit around the sun-science

Where does the Bible say that the solar system is geo-centric?


That is a sample of some of them.

Not quite, and it's not even a nice try.

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