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Quote: from deaths door14 at 12:10 pm on May 20, 2008

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if that's a size14 in england then yeah i'd say that's plus size, not fat.

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i think its size 16 and over in england

because the average size is 14

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yeah i guess so, but i bet it depends on your height as well, if you're taller than 5"7 which is a models minimum height then i'd say at least 16 yeah but i'm short at 5"2 and therefore even a size 12 to me would be plus size. technically.

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