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Interestingly, danger life of the mother is an incredibly rare occurrence. The legal exceptions generally include "health" of the mother, which can be financial or mental. In other words, whatever one feels would be inconvenienced. Once again, killing the child is not an acceptable option if one thinks their life will not be worth living. I believe the Germans did that, killing off handicapped German children to save money.

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Ah yes, the wonderful tactic of bring up Nazi-like situations from otu of the blue even though no one has suggested them.

Abortions resulting from consideration of quality of life are not the same as abortions resulting from considerations of one's wallet. Red herrings like this are particularly nasty tactics to make people look bad rather than tackle the real issue.

And for the record, your knowledge of Nazi Germany stinks as much as your knowledge of science. Handicapped German children were not aborted to save anyone's money between '33 - '45.

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Quote: from Libertarian Samurai at 9:59 pm on May 20, 2008

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Interestingly, danger life of the mother is an incredibly rare occurrence. The legal exceptions generally include "health" of the mother, which can be financial or mental. In other words, whatever one feels would be inconvenienced. Once again, killing the child is not an acceptable option if one thinks their life will not be worth living. I believe the Germans did that, killing off handicapped German children to save money.

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Ah yes, the wonderful tactic of bring up Nazi-like situations from otu of the blue even though no one has suggested them.

Abortions resulting from consideration of quality of life are not the same as abortions resulting from considerations of one's wallet. Red herrings like this are particularly nasty tactics to make people look bad rather than tackle the real issue.

And for the record, your knowledge of Nazi Germany stinks as much as your knowledge of science. Handicapped German children were not aborted to save anyone's money between '33 - '45.

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You're right. They were murdered no matter the age, not just the unborn. It's a very legitimate comparison, I think, point being that someone who had power over the weak, be it the mother or the state, have no right to decide that someone is unfit to live. Perhaps the motive is different, but the result and principle is the same.

Hell, I bet that more are unwilling to have the handicapped child for selfish reasons, rather than concern for the child's happiness.

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Factors that I would consider would be the severity of the disease, the effects on the child, the cost of treatment over a lifetime, the impact it would have on me and my career (would I have to quit my job to take care of it?), the impact on the rest of my family, etc.

The career thing seems kind of selfish, really, but to be honest, that's how I feel. If I'm going to work my ass off in college to get a higher degree, I'd better be able to have something to show for it. I'm not going to give up everything to stay at home and raise a disabled child who'll never be able to enjoy the full spectrum of pleasures that life offers.

Maybe I just shouldn't ever have kids at all. I don't think I have the right kind of attitude toward motherhood just yet. Maybe I'll have a change of heart when I get older, but we'll have to see.

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You're right. They were murdered no matter the age, not just the unborn. It's a very legitimate comparison, I think, point being that someone who had power over the weak, be it the mother or the state, have no right to decide that someone is unfit to live. Perhaps the motive is different, but the result and principle is the same.

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The result is completely different seeing as it would be different people dying for different reasons under an entirely different system. Nice try, though.

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no. cuz abortions wrong.

 
its no ones fault. things happen for a reason. people were put into this world for a reason.
you never kno they maybe are only spose to live for a certain amount of years an they might live longer.

 

never ever would i have an abortion.

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If you think everything happens for a reason... Then you must think Abortion happens for a reason.

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The only difference is the justification.

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The only difference between taxing 100% of income and 0.1% is the justification, in that case. So we should avoid taxation altogether lest Hitler rise from the dead and slaughter us all.

Society is ruiend by no taxation? Tell that to Hitler's tanks.

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Quote: from xdreaxbabyx at 1:30 pm on May 20, 2008

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no. cuz abortions wrong.  

 
 its no ones fault. things happen for a reason. people were put into this world for a reason.  
 you never kno they maybe are only spose to live for a certain amount of years an they might live longer.  

 

 never ever would i have an abortion.

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If you think everything happens for a reason... Then you must think Abortion happens for a reason.

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Quote: from miimii at 4:28 pm on May 21, 2008

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Quote: from xdreaxbabyx at 1:30 pm on May 20, 2008

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no. cuz abortions wrong.  

     
  its no ones fault. things happen for a reason. people were put into this world for a reason.  
  you never kno they maybe are only spose to live for a certain amount of years an they might live longer.  

     

  never ever would i have an abortion.

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 If you think everything happens for a reason... Then you must think Abortion happens for a reason.

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 the reason abortion happens is because people are rying to get out easy.
they need to del with their consequenses n step up and be a parent to the child they concieved.

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Having an abortion is not easy for everyone. I'm sure some people have it less hard, but I know that it's not easy for everyone.

Abortion happens because you look at what's better for the kid. You might now want it to end up in a bad family or end up not being adopted so you dont give it up for adoption. You might not want to keep it because you're not ready.

It's pretty sad that the people that really should have an abortion always are pro-life.  

I would be in pain watching my own child suffer, but abortion is immoral to me, and even if it wasn't, I still wouldn't be able to do it myself because I wouldn't have the courage.  I know I'd feel guilt the rest of my life.

If God gives me a baby that has an illness, then God's doing it for a reason.  It will teach me more.  If there were less people in the world with problems like that, then we would be somewhat less unified in our compassion.  Whenever someone has an illness or a disability, that seems like the one time when we see the human compassion in others, because all are touched by what those individuals have to go through, and then we are thankful that those problems were not brought down upon us.

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Quote: from xdreaxbabyx at 1:30 pm on May 20, 2008

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no. cuz abortions wrong.  

 
  its no ones fault. things happen for a reason. people were put into this world for a reason.  
  you never kno they maybe are only spose to live for a certain amount of years an they might live longer.  

 

  never ever would i have an abortion.

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  If you think everything happens for a reason... Then you must think Abortion happens for a reason.

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  the reason abortion happens is because people are rying to get out easy.  
 they need to del with their consequenses n step up and be a parent to the child they concieved.  

 

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Having an abortion is not easy for everyone. I'm sure some people have it less hard, but I know that it's not easy for everyone.  

Abortion happens because you look at what's better for the kid. You might now want it to end up in a bad family or end up not being adopted so you dont give it up for adoption. You might not want to keep it because you're not ready.

It's pretty sad that the people that really should have an abortion always are pro-life.

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i still dont believe in it.
its bullshit. it is the easy way to get out easy.
the kid didnt do anything wrong. it shouldnt suffer because "someones not ready to have a kid"...if u werent ready or prepared or "are not financially able" to have a kid you shouldnt  have had sex in the first place.
either way things work out for you in the long run.
trust me. ive seen it happen. so no im sticking tohow i feel. abortion is wrong . even if the kid has something wrong with them mentally you still keep them. cuz its basically bullshit. im sick of hearing people say " oh i wont be able to take care of them."
its one fuckign kid. my moms a single mom who has 9 kids n no job.....childsupport doesnt cover all the bills and the food. if she can do it then im sure as hell u can. weve lived on the streets multiple times....but lately since shes quit drinking and has been keeping her head up high weve been doing good.

its basically bullshit. how do u kno u cant take care of the kid if u dont try. how do u kno u cant handle a kid if u dont try.

you dont.

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