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Trouble ahead for science
Replies: 9Last Post May 10 11:22am by nik1
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Catholic cell biologist Kenneth Miller weights in on the creationist movie Expelled business.

Trouble ahead for science


Advocates of Intelligent Design needed a story to explain why the idea has been a nonstarter within the scientific community, and Ben Stein has given it to them. The story line is that Intelligent Design advocates are persecuted and suppressed. "Expelled" tells of this terrible campaign against free expression, and mocks the pretensions of the closed-minded scientific elite supposedly behind it.

The movie also uses interviews with avowed atheists like Richard Dawkins, author of "The God Delusion," to argue that scientific establishment is vehemently anti-God. Never mind that 40 percent of the members of the American Association for the Advancement of Science profess belief in a personal God. Stein, avoiding these 50,000 people, tells viewers that "Darwinists" don't allow scientists to even think of God.

Puzzled, the editors of Scientific American asked Mark Mathis, the film's co-producer, why he and Stein didn't interview such people, like Francis Collins (head of the Human Genome Project), Francisco Ayala, or myself. Mathis cited me by name, saying "Ken Miller would have confused the film unnecessarily." In other words, showing a scientist who accepts both God and evolution would have confused their story line.


Great article. See more at Expelled Exposed

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I'm not saying that the stuff you post isn't interesting, but rather then just copying and pasting why don't you give your own opinions and start a discussion?

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Expelled = Propaganda

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We should totally accept Intelligent Design. It's not like it would be hard to explain.

Watch:

The idea of intelligent design is based on a singular reasoning:

If someone is too complicated to explain now Goddidit.

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Isn't this like how you refuse to accept religions that don't make claims contrary to science/ reason because of the effect their presence has on your antireligious claims, going so far as to blatantly misrepresent their teachings so as to construe them as dogmatically opposed to reality (your equation of Thelema with Aleister Crowely's occult belief system comes to mind)?

But yeah, K Miller for the win.

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Quote: from Wilder at 12:52 am on May 10, 2008

Isn't this like how you refuse to accept religions that don't make claims contrary to science/ reason because of the effect their presence has on your antireligious claims, going so far as to blatantly misrepresent their teachings so as to construe them as dogmatically opposed to reality (your equation of Thelema with Aleister Crowely's occult belief system comes to mind)?

But yeah, K Miller for the win.


You mean like I'm a secular version of young earth creationism?



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Quote: from Moridin at 4:32 am on May 10, 2008

Quote: from Wilder at 12:52 am on May 10, 2008

Isn't this like how you refuse to accept religions that don't make claims contrary to science/ reason because of the effect their presence has on your antireligious claims, going so far as to blatantly misrepresent their teachings so as to construe them as dogmatically opposed to reality (your equation of Thelema with Aleister Crowely's occult belief system comes to mind)?  

 But yeah, K Miller for the win.


You mean like I'm a secular version of young earth creationism?

 


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Quote: from Wilder at 6:23 pm on May 10, 2008

Quote: from Moridin at 4:32 am on May 10, 2008

Quote: from Wilder at 12:52 am on May 10, 2008

Isn't this like how you refuse to accept religions that don't make claims contrary to science/ reason because of the effect their presence has on your antireligious claims, going so far as to blatantly misrepresent their teachings so as to construe them as dogmatically opposed to reality (your equation of Thelema with Aleister Crowely's occult belief system comes to mind)?  

  But yeah, K Miller for the win.


 

 You mean like I'm a secular version of young earth creationism?  

 


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YECs are to evolution as Moridin is to religion?

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Quote: from Moridin at 11:24 am on May 10, 2008

Quote: from Wilder at 6:23 pm on May 10, 2008

Quote: from Moridin at 4:32 am on May 10, 2008

Quote: from Wilder at 12:52 am on May 10, 2008

Isn't this like how you refuse to accept religions that don't make claims contrary to science/ reason because of the effect their presence has on your antireligious claims, going so far as to blatantly misrepresent their teachings so as to construe them as dogmatically opposed to reality (your equation of Thelema with Aleister Crowely's occult belief system comes to mind)?  

  But yeah, K Miller for the win.


  You mean like I'm a secular version of young earth creationism?

 


 

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YECs are to evolution as Moridin is to religion?


Yep.

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If someone with any credibility at all wrote it then it might have some merit but "Ben Stein?"  He's a bitter guy that has tried to be an actor, author, lawyer and a celebrity but has failed in all of them.

He's a goof ball in my opinion.


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