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Moridin, I don't think it's a losing battle. I just think many churches are realizing that culture and opinions have changed, and it's wise to change with the times.

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it doesn't say much for the integrity of their beliefs if they have to keep changing them just to keep up

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Moridin, I don't think it's a losing battle. I just think many churches are realizing that culture and opinions have changed, and it's wise to change with the times.

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it doesn't say much for the integrity of their beliefs if they have to keep changing them just to keep up

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Who says beliefs can't/shouldn't change with the times?

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Majority of your posts were helpful(we all know whose wasn't).

Moridin, I don't think it's a losing battle. I just think many churches are realizing that culture and opinions have changed, and it's wise to change with the times.

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It took the catholic church 400+ years to admit that the earth was not stationary. In October 1992, Pope John Paul II regretted how the Galileo affair was handled, and officially conceded that the Earth was not still.

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Quote: from draakprinses at 3:55 pm on June 11, 2008

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Moridin, I don't think it's a losing battle. I just think many churches are realizing that culture and opinions have changed, and it's wise to change with the times.

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 it doesn't say much for the integrity of their beliefs if they have to keep changing them just to keep up

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Who says beliefs can't/shouldn't change with the times?

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its simpler to accept that there are large gaps in our knowledge of the world, and the answers we seek are best left up to scientific study. this raises fewer problems than adapting an entire system of beliefs that has to keep changing in the face of emerging scientific theories/evidence regarding the world.

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Quote: from draakprinses at 10:55 pm on June 11, 2008

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Majority of your posts were helpful(we all know whose wasn't).  

 Moridin, I don't think it's a losing battle. I just think many churches are realizing that culture and opinions have changed, and it's wise to change with the times.

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It took the catholic church 400+ years to admit that the earth was not stationary. In October 1992, Pope John Paul II regretted how the Galileo affair was handled, and officially conceded that the Earth was not still.

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And I repeat, why can't beliefs change with the times?

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Quote: from draakprinses at 10:55 pm on June 11, 2008

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Majority of your posts were helpful(we all know whose wasn't).  

 Moridin, I don't think it's a losing battle. I just think many churches are realizing that culture and opinions have changed, and it's wise to change with the times.

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It took the catholic church 400+ years to admit that the earth was not stationary. In October 1992, Pope John Paul II regretted how the Galileo affair was handled, and officially conceded that the Earth was not still.

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You Grandma was not a "racist" towards the LGBT rather she was a realistic.  A woman of strong faith and thinks with logic  and common sense I respect her views.

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She was racist... she hated blacks and Mexicans as well. That's what I was saying.

Anyway- back on topic. Many people within the church think it's too conservative, which I personally agree. There's no reason to fight something in which we cannot judge one, for no one on earth has that power. Only God can tell who can go to Heaven or Hell. It's a simple teaching that many are tearing apart everyday. We can only guide those who wish to be guided. I'm sure the priest was just happy that the OP went to him for help- not very many people with that problem would think to talk to a priest about it.

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Quote: from Aristocrat at 3:52 pm on June 11, 2008

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You Grandma was not a "racist" towards the LGBT rather she was a realistic.  A woman of strong faith and thinks with logic  and common sense I respect her views.

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She was racist... she hated blacks and Mexicans as well. That's what I was saying.  

Anyway- back on topic. Many people within the church think it's too conservative, which I personally agree. There's no reason to fight something in which we cannot judge one, for no one on earth has that power. Only God can tell who can go to Heaven or Hell. It's a simple teaching that many are tearing apart everyday. We can only guide those who wish to be guided. I'm sure the priest was just happy that the OP went to him for help- not very many people with that problem would think to talk to a priest about it.

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That doesn't justify hating on people at all, but according to most denominations of the Christian religion now, and with the exception of some of the gnostics (arguable if they are "Christian" or not) all historically, according to the bible (unless you abandon Paul) and longstanding tradition, sexual activity with people of the same gender is wrong. So is sexual activity outside of marriage, adultery, etc etc.

And when Jesus saved the adulteress from stoning, he made a good point about casting the first stone - but did he then say to her "go now and keep on having sex with other peoples husbands"? or did he say "go now and sin no more"?

And I feel very weird saying this because I never in my life had a problem with homosexuality, too many of my friends and parents friends etc.
But I just don't see how anyone can say Christianity doesn't oppose homosexual activity.

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Of course, the trends of the Catholic church greater do not necessarily reflect what is happening on a parish level.  I fear in time you may see some regression from progress made under John Paul.

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I was under the impression that it had been modernizing under John Paul and that momentum had been slowed if not reversed under Benedict.

Of course, the trends of the Catholic church greater do not necessarily reflect what is happening on a parish level.  I fear in time you may see some regression from progress made under John Paul.

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Do you suppose that has to do with the "primitive" nature of the culture or something inherent to the regional sociology?  In other words, will they grow out of it with cultural advancement or is it a permanent feature of their respective regional characters?

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I couldn't agree with you more.

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