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Quote: from Bud2400 at 6:02 pm on June 12, 2008
 Very interesting paragraph here, but again, you're taking it out of context by using it as support for the Nazis gassing the Jews. 
It doesn't say that Jews were going to be gassed. It just says that they had to be annihilated. They may not have thought of the exact method at that point. But it shows definitely INTENT which is what you were objecting to.
Remember, for World War I, it was alleged by the Nazis and other anti-semitic groups that the Jews caused it to gain profit from it.
you moving from the main thing we discussing. We are asking did they INTEND to kill Jews. The answer is yes based on the text. The why is another story. You were claiming they did not intent or it was not part of their plan, Well killing jews and annihilating them WAS part of it.
thus that the Jews there (who were alleged to be in control of the USSR) must be annihilated.
we not asking WHY they hated Jews. There are many reasons. We not even asking HOW. (well we found out later) We asking did they INTEND to annihilate them. The answer is yes.
Again, Jake, context. The Nazis believed that the portion of Jews who refused to integrate into German culture were parasitic and must be deported from Germany to their own state
Well first they did not want them in Germany. But then the Nazis tied to conquer the whole world and called the areas thy invaded "greater germany". They went in Africa, in the Middle East and wanted to invade Russia. So where did they want the Jews to be? Also they called them parasites to the world. So what you do with parasites to the world? You remove them from the world. They also said there cannot be peaceful coexistence. It was the"good germans" or the Jews. So what did the Nazis think you do when you have the threat of a deadly parasite to the world? Answer that.
Post edited at 2:24 am on June 15, 2008 by jakelong
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Quote: from Bud2400 at 7:22 pm on June 12, 2008
How so? If anything, it looked more to me like they wished to deport their Jews out of Germany (and other European countries) to a location reserved to be entirely for Jews. But due to WWII, that had to be put on hold.
That's not true because they DID deport them outside Germany to Poland and they kept invading more and more countries in Europe. They even CLOSED the borders and did everything to prvent Jews from leaving Europe after 1941.
the difference is one of inconsideration as opposed to an attempt to kill them all.
well I showed the texts which shows they intended to annihilated them. And called them parastites to the world. Thats more than negligent homicide. And you never really answer to the gas showers.
I believe the holocaust could still be called a genocide.
ok we agree here.
But I certainly don't deny that there were some individual Nazis out there who wouldn't object, and perhaps even advocated, the death of all Jews.
Many of the ones at the top did. Not all of them maybe but many of them.
I just don't believe that the Nazis had a collective party-wide policy of killing as many Jews as possible based on the evidence I've seen.
We dont know how much they knew and how all of them felt about it all. But we know Hitler and Goering and Mengele did. We know most of the nazi top brass did. We know the commanders of the death camps did. We know that most of the SS was into it. So it depends what you mean by "party-wide". the top brass of the nazis was into it. the little asskissers below them may not have known everything maybe. But the important part is the leaders did INTEND that to happen.
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