Dispute.

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I was taught this as a small child when I watched the fools drown
As I stared down through the ice

GOT TO MAKE THIS LONGER

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I was taught this as a small child when I watched the fools drown
As I stared down through the ice

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"It's unscientific, immoral and finacially unsound. It's also dangerous because the results do not apply easily to humans."

Dispute.

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So you do not believe in the existence of medicine?

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"The larger the island of knowledge, the longer the
shoreline of wonder" (Ralph W. Sockman)

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I don't believe in medicine, in the same way I don't believe in chairs or trees. These things exist, whatever I believe. Clarify your point.

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Pseudo-philosophical, semantic ass-hat...

You know exactly what was meant [i disagree with EVERY point moridin makes, but even here I know that what he asked was a justifiable and clear question]

Almost all medicine has been tested on animals, without it, humans would have to be the subjects.

We are at the top of the food/evolution chain. We are the dominant species on this planet.
As the dominant species, we have the ability to use the lower species to our advantage, if we can, to help our species to better survive.

I do not think that we should kill off all the animals because we can, we should respect nature a lot more than we do now; however, it would be silly to think that animal testing is wrong when the result is the saving, or preserving of human lives.

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            ...life is good...
...mai ho oni i ka wai lana malie...

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We are at the top of the food/evolution chain. We are the dominant species on this planet.
As the dominant species, we have the ability to use the lower species to our advantage, if we can, to help our species to better survive.

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I know this is not a valid point and should have nothing to do with vivisection, but what do you think parasites do?

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Quote: from norock at 4:45 pm on April 26, 2008

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We are at the top of the food/evolution chain. We are the dominant species on this planet.  
 As the dominant species, we have the ability to use the lower species to our advantage, if we can, to help our species to better survive.

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Wait wait fucking what? The dominant species has the right to abuse "lower" species for our own gain? What the absolute fuck, are you even serious?

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Of course I'm serious, sure it sounds "mean" but we are animals through and through. Just because we are intelligent does not mean that we have evolved past being what we are: one more species of animal on this planet.

We are at the top, and we like being there. In order to stay there, however, we need to do certain things [ie. keep dominance over the other species, even use other And in order to advance our species further there are other things we must do, one of such things is medicine.

Medicine helps us live longer and happier lives, something which most humans enjoy the thought of. However the developing of medicine is a difficult process and the "beta" versions -if you will- are not always safe/successful, and so to keep mortalities or sicknesses to a minimum, we test on animals.

I'm not saying we should do it because "its the cool thing to do" I'm saying we can do it because we are the dominant species. That is not to say that we should kill off all of the animals, but responsible use of animals for testing that might better human life is --in my opinion-- A. Ok.

I don't see what you don't get about this.

WE ARE ANIMALS
animals, in nature, use other animals to survive better.

its nature, just a more technologically advanced way of going about it.

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            ...life is good...
...mai ho oni i ka wai lana malie...

As long it has followed the "reduce, replace, refine" doctrine as fully as possible, there is sufficient evidence that it will advance scientific understanding and it is actually scientific then it should go ahead.

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Massive, epic adventure, multi-coloured, multi-layered.
Sort of two/three dimensional Wizard of Oz for the future.

a) I cant tell if your joking

and,

b) you havn't provided an arguement...

well, more precisely, you have given us a set of premises/conclusion but no evidence or reasoning in support of them.

[DEVILS ADVOCATE] I, for example, cannot see anything immoral about animal testing. [Dev Adv.../]

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The truth is what money can be made from a lie.