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And I'm absolutely not saying that I hold the life of a mentally retarded person to the same light I hold the life of an animal.

But.

Why is it that we place the value of human lives above animals? You know, even if you say you don't, you'd make a bigger deal out of a person being shot for a stupid reason than of a horse being shot because it's leg is broken, right?

We say it's because we're more intelligent then animals.

But if a person had a severe mental handicap that gave them the intelligence of a dog, why do we still hold their life above a dog's? Like, why would it be a major human rights violation to euthanize them against their will but it wouldn't be to do that to an animal?

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I guess because the person still has family.
Now, take the family away, and I see your point. No family, no one to have any say. I certainly wouldn't want to be forced to live that way.

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Because humans are specieists. It's like programmed in our brains.

Personally, I feel more sympathetic to animals than humans. I hate people.


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Quote: from The Raven at 11:50 pm on April 24, 2008

I guess because the person still has family.
Now, take the family away, and I see your point. No family, no one to have any say. I certainly wouldn't want to be forced to live that way.

But... a dog can have a human family.

And even if the person is a drifter human rights activists will care.

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Quote: from Black Sheep at 11:51 pm on April 24, 2008

Because humans are specieists. It's like programmed in our brains.

Personally, I feel more sympathetic to animals than humans. I hate people.


Probably...

do you really mean that? I mean, you'd be more sad if your mom died than if your dog died, no?

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Quote: from Da Bears at 3:09 am on April 25, 2008

Quote: from The Raven at 11:50 pm on April 24, 2008

I guess because the person still has family.  
 Now, take the family away, and I see your point. No family, no one to have any say. I certainly wouldn't want to be forced to live that way.

But... a dog can have a human family.  

And even if the person is a drifter human rights activists will care.


But the dog's family cannot decide what they want done with that animal. That's not how they are wired. As a species, they don't even show much remorse for a loss of a pack member. Elephants are much more up there on the mourning ladder.


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Quote: from Da Bears at 3:09 am on April 25, 2008

Quote: from Black Sheep at 11:51 pm on April 24, 2008

Because humans are specieists. It's like programmed in our brains.  

 Personally, I feel more sympathetic to animals than humans. I hate people.


Probably...  

do you really mean that? I mean, you'd be more sad if your mom died than if your dog died, no?


eh, probably not.

Okay, I hate most people. About 99.9%


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Quote: from The Raven at 12:20 am on April 25, 2008

Quote: from Da Bears at 3:09 am on April 25, 2008

Quote: from The Raven at 11:50 pm on April 24, 2008

I guess because the person still has family.  
  Now, take the family away, and I see your point. No family, no one to have any say. I certainly wouldn't want to be forced to live that way.

 

 But... a dog can have a human family.  

 And even if the person is a drifter human rights activists will care.


But the dog's family cannot decide what they want done with that animal. That's not how they are wired. As a species, they don't even show much remorse for a loss of a pack member. Elephants are much more up there on the mourning ladder.


I said a dog can have a HUMAN family.

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Quote: from Black Sheep at 12:26 am on April 25, 2008

Quote: from Da Bears at 3:09 am on April 25, 2008

Quote: from Black Sheep at 11:51 pm on April 24, 2008

Because humans are specieists. It's like programmed in our brains.  

  Personally, I feel more sympathetic to animals than humans. I hate people.


 

 Probably...  

 do you really mean that? I mean, you'd be more sad if your mom died than if your dog died, no?


eh, probably not.

Okay, I hate most people. About 99.9%


lol, then whydja say it?

You're apathetic about most people. I think you have to love someone before you can hate them.

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The difference between animals and humans is logic.

And the funny thing is, logic is still corrupted by human instinct.

In the end, logic does not make your life happier, but fulfilling your instincts does. Which makes us just as good as any other animal, only with an extra gift (or curse if you think about it).


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It might be because we are a superior race, have our choices, which you said a scenario where we aren't, then I would think that it's because we are alike. We can communicate with eachother a lot easier than animals can. So we prefer the species we can relate to.

Although I treat everyone the same. I wouldn't shoot a horse.

Although, I am sort of being a hypocrite, because I wouldn't shoot a horse, yet I would shoot a deer for meat. But let's try to ignore that part.

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We are the dominant species of the world. We hold our own superiority, compared to others. We have complex minds, and if a frog somehow kept up an actual conversation with me, I would definatley cry if that frog died. But humans can carry connections with animals the same as other humans. People who do not remorse over animal death (except for cows and pigs) are more caring about their superiority.

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We are different.
Animals do things because of instinct.
Humans have the power to ignore their instinct and therefore make decisions of a higher order.

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Quote: from Black Sheep at 7:51 am on April 25, 2008

Because humans are specieists. It's like programmed in our brains.

Personally, I feel more sympathetic to animals than humans. I hate people.


took the words out of my mouth

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Quote: from Missyjane at 7:17 am on April 27, 2008

We are different.
Animals do things because of instinct.
Humans have the power to ignore their instinct and therefore make decisions of a higher order.

No, not really. Instinct still drives our actions, whether you like to think so or not. Biology has shaped us over millions of years; we are extremely complex. There are some things we simply cannot control.


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