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The Airplane Conveyor Belt Problem
Replies: 18Last Post April 25 3:46pm by obvious child
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Choice Votes Percent  
Yes, it will take off 8 34%
No, it will stay stationary (relative to the ground) 8 34%
It will randomly explode killing yourself 1 4%
1/4 point / noob 6 26%
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Quote: from Moridin at 8:33 pm on April 24, 2008

I posted it earlier here. Since the airplane do not acquire forward momentum by friction against the ground, but by its motors, the answer is obviously yes.

That was a very good summary! =]

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Quote: from marshmellowman at 9:06 am on April 24, 2008

Quote: from obvious child at 8:02 pm on April 24, 2008

Depends how fast you can make the conveyor go. And your explanation of the problem isn't correct with the answer you're going to give.
 
Care to go into more detail?  

But the answer is yes.


A mythbuster and straight dope explain that it will work for several reasons, namely that the conveyor lacks the speed to prevent the plane from moving forward. Lift is generated by moving the plane from a medium, in this case air. If there is no movement, there is no lift, and no lift, take off is impossible for a conventional plane. If you could build a conveyor that could produce enough speed to  keep the plane stationary, then the plane wouldn't be able to take off.

Post edited at 1:23 pm on April 25, 2008 by obvious child

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A mythbuster and straight dope explain that it will work for several reasons, namely that the conveyor lacks the speed to prevent the plane from moving forward. Lift is generated by moving the plane from a medium, in this case air. If there is no movement, there is no lift, and no lift, take off is impossible for a conventional plane. If you could build a conveyor that could produce enough speed to  keep the plane stationary, then the plane wouldn't be able to take off.

I understand that fully. No relative movement of the plane to the ground = no takeoff.

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Hence why when presenting the puzzle, one needs to be quite clear about the speed of the conveyor. It's really no different then a person on a treadmill. If they can run faster then the treadmill is going backward, they'll move forward. If they run the exact same speed, they go nowhere.

Actually if you had a conveyor moving faster then the plane, it would go backwards.

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