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Pro-choice, but anti-murder...
Replies: 87Last Post June 29, 2008 5:35pm by SerendipityDarling
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I am a strong supporter of the concept of choice, and thus consider myself to be pro-choice.

I support the choice to have sex. That sex is a concious act that individuals take part in, and in doing so make a voluntary choice to do so, with the exception of rape. I also have enough knowledge of science to understand that upon making the choice to have sex, that I am also making the choice to run the risk of having my sperm mix with a woman's eggs to produce a separate and unique individual. Rape is when your right to choice has been violated, thus any obligation to future consequence is null and void.

I also support the choice to live or not. That if an individual wants to kill themselves for whatever reason, then they should be allowed to do as such. Thus if someone is so poor, or so unloved that their quality of life is to a point where their life is not worth living, then they should have the right to make the choice to continue living or not.

In support of the choice to live or not also follows that other individuals should not be allowed to force either of those conditions upon another individual, unless said individual has done something to forefit their rights. That a person who has made grievous crimes has forefitted their right to make their own choice about life or death, thus the state is allowed to make the choice for them. That an individual who has attempted to attack another and as such is attempting to take away that person's right to choice is in effect forefitting their own right to choice and as such the person being attacked has every right to choose to kill the attacker or not in the defense of their own personal right to choose.

When abortions take place there is no regard for choice, with exception to medical emergancies and sometimes rape. The child's right to decide if it lives or not is being violated, and the violators of said rights should be punished. Anyone who would do such a thing simply is proving that they oppose the very concept of choice, and are in effect anti-choice.

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fetuses don't have rights.  they aren't citizens yet.

Post edited at 5:40 pm on April 2, 2007 by The Dalai Lama


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Quote: from The Dalai Lama at 5:40 pm on April 2, 2007

fetuses don't have rights.  they aren't citizens yet.

Just nice to know that you believe that non-citizens should have no rights, and should just be slaughtered for whatever reason.

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i am pro-abortions if you dont like to bad

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Quote: from The Dalai Lama at 7:40 pm on April 2, 2007

fetuses don't have rights.  they aren't citizens yet.


That may be the most horrible correct statement I've ever read...

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Quote: from whoisabs at 5:42 pm on April 2, 2007

Quote: from The Dalai Lama at 5:40 pm on April 2, 2007

fetuses don't have rights.  they aren't citizens yet.

 

Just nice to know that you believe that non-citizens should have no rights, and should just be slaughtered for whatever reason.


that not what he is saying

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Quote: from whoisabs at 6:38 pm on April 2, 2007

When abortions take place there is no regard for choice, with exception to medical emergancies and sometimes rape. The child's right to decide if it lives or not is being violated, and the violators of said rights should be punished. Anyone who would do such a thing simply is proving that they oppose the very concept of choice, and are in effect anti-choice.

So very true. Who are we to violate the rights of another person?
If so should forfeit our own rights it would seem, as that is what takes place in ANY other situation other then abortion.

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Even though you have contradicted yourself, I think that this is one issue where that might be necessary.  But I have a question:  Since the doctor performing the abortion has killed the fetus (if it is indeed to be considered alive at this point), shouldn't he then be considered a murderer?  And if not, then what about the people who throw the switch for the electric chair?  Should they not be killed as well?

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That's nice and all, but I believe that only people get rights, and I don't know about how things roll in Texas, but the Supreme Court of Canada ruled that fetuses are not people. That's enough for me.

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Quote: from The Dalai Lama at 6:40 pm on April 2, 2007

fetuses don't have rights.  they aren't citizens yet.

So. If I hypothetically made a time machine and killed you as a fetus. I'm off scot free?
I hate time machine analogies but...
This irrationality could extend to killing someone and then saying "THEY WERE A FETUS, THEY'VE GOT NO RIGHT TO LIVE!!!?!"

Which is idiocy.

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Quote: from Rastafarian at 5:46 pm on April 2, 2007

Quote: from The Dalai Lama at 6:40 pm on April 2, 2007

fetuses don't have rights.  they aren't citizens yet.

So. If I hypothetically made a time machine and killed you as a fetus. I'm off scot free?
I hate time machine analogies but...
This irrationality could extend to killing someone and then saying "THEY WERE A FETUS, THEY'VE GOT NO RIGHT TO LIVE!!!?!"

Which is idiocy.


uh.  hyopthetically.  sure.


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Quote: from Rastafarian at 5:46 pm on April 2, 2007

Quote: from The Dalai Lama at 6:40 pm on April 2, 2007

fetuses don't have rights.  they aren't citizens yet.

So. If I hypothetically made a time machine and killed you as a fetus. I'm off scot free?
I hate time machine analogies but...
This irrationality could extend to killing someone and then saying "THEY WERE A FETUS, THEY'VE GOT NO RIGHT TO LIVE!!!?!"

Which is idiocy.


Or you could just simply look at the fact that the reason why they have no rights, especially the right not to be murdered, is the fact that they are not citizens.

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I hate murder

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I pretty much agree, although I think in the case of rape, they should be discouraged, and should have to do a ton of counseling before they are able to make that choice. They should also have to fully understand what they are doing.


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