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religious beliefs that such things have a soul should be left out of government. if you think this fetus is truly alive with a soul fine dont get an abortion.

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Funny that you are the one talking about souls, as not me or Rastafarian.

Maybe you should take your religious bigotry and stfu.

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whoisabs i'm not sure
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In this case? only if your a christian.

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Go away bigoted troll.

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whoisabs i'm not sure
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Quote: from eiwets at 6:04 pm on April 2, 2007

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 In this case? only if your a christian.

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Go away bigoted troll.

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you get offended easily hey?

Logically the difference between a sperm/egg and a fetus in terms of consciousness and experience is negligable. Only Illogical (religion is illogical saying so does not make me a biggot) thinking that is impacted by some type of human emotion for something that more resembles a human, or religious conviction, can influence a person to think different.

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Quote: from whoisabs at 6:11 pm on April 2, 2007

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Quote: from eiwets at 6:04 pm on April 2, 2007

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  In this case? only if your a christian.

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 Go away bigoted troll.

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you get offended easily hey?  

Logically the difference between a sperm/egg and a fetus in terms of consciousness and experience is negligable. Only Illogical (religion is illogical saying so does not make me a biggot) thinking that is impacted by some type of human emotion for something that more resembles a human, or religious conviction, can influence a person to think different.

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You should probably redefine your ideas of what "living" and "non-living" are.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life" target="_top">http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life

Especially.

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Conventional definition: Often scientists say that life is a characteristic of organisms that exhibit the following phenomena:

  1. Homeostasis: Regulation of the internal environment to maintain a constant state; for example, sweating to reduce temperature.
  2. Organization: Being composed of one or more cells, which are the basic units of life.
  3. Metabolism: Consumption of energy by converting nonliving material into cellular components (anabolism) and decomposing organic matter (catabolism). Living things require energy to maintain internal organization (homeostasis) and to produce the other phenomena associated with life.
  4. Growth: Maintenance of a higher rate of synthesis than catalysis. A growing organism increases in size in all of its parts, rather than simply accumulating matter. The particular species begins to multiply and expand as the evolution continues to flourish.
  5. Adaptation: The ability to change over a period of time in response to the environment. This ability is fundamental to the process of evolution and is determined by the organism's heredity as well as the composition of metabolized substances, and external factors present.
  6. Response to stimuli: A response can take many forms, from the contraction of a unicellular organism when touched to complex reactions involving all the senses of higher animals. A response is often expressed by motion, for example, the leaves of a plant turning toward the sun or an animal chasing its prey.
  7. Reproduction: The ability to produce new organisms. Reproduction can be the division of one cell to form two new cells. Usually the term is applied to the production of a new individual (either asexually, from a single parent organism, or sexually, from at least two differing parent organisms), although strictly speaking it also describes the production of new cells in the process of growth.

However, others cite several limitations of this definition[3]. Thus, many members of several species do not reproduce, possibly because they belong to specialized sterile castes (such as ant workers), these are still considered forms of life.

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Yes im sure they perform all kinds of wonderful human things as fetuses but honestly try and look past that stuff.

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Religious bigots that oppose science are funny.  Then again this one prolly believes in the magical DNA theory and/or the idea that humans can change their taxonomic classification.

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whoisabs i'm not sure
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Yes im sure they perform all kinds of wonderful human things as fetuses but honestly try and look past that stuff. you are emotional and the fact it acts like a human gets to you. But it doesnt think about shit. it doesnt know its going to be killed. it doesnt know it could have a life. it doesnt know it has a mom. Did you know when babies are born when everyone leaves the room, they cry because they dont realize the people they cant see are still alive? well this thing is a hundred times dumber than that, ITS NOT THINKING. and IN MY OPINION that makes it no different than a sperm/ unfertalized egg. as far as whether it should be prevented to grow by choice of the parents.

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But that inspires human selfishness, we aren't taking necessarily the best interests of the potential child to heart, but rather the person/parents themselves and what they want -- the easy way out.

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Quote: from marine chic at 5:54 pm on April 2, 2007

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Quote: from eiwets at 5:51 pm on April 2, 2007

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The fetus is not really a person yet though. they do not have a life, they have the potential of life. if it's a crime to take away potential of life, Am i not killing a person everytime i walk by a woman on the street without having sex with her the same way i am when i kill a fetus?

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 But there is a difference between "Potential Life" and the beginning of a life, is there not?

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In this case? only if your a christian.

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Apparently only Christians are against abortion now?

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Quote: from The Dalai Lama at 5:40 pm on April 2, 2007

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fetuses don't have rights.  they aren't citizens yet.

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Just nice to know that you believe that non-citizens should have no rights, and should just be slaughtered for whatever reason.

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Just a question but, Why is it not illegal to be an illegal alien?  

I consider something living only if it can sustain its own life for more that 2 minutes.  An abortion aged fetus could not come close.

Post edited at 10:05 pm on April 2, 2007 by espresso8097

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Post edited at 9:54 pm on April 2, 2007 by GoloSLB

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if the fetus can not survive on its own how can it be considered murder?

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So infanticide is perfectly acceptable suddenly?

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