* Gas prices over $3 per gallon in most states
* Having an astonishing number of homeless/unemployed, despite being one of the richest countries in the world
* Drugs: Where do I begin?
* Fighting a war, for a cause that is no longer ours to fight for
* Health care
* The rapid deterioration of natural resources
* Crime

Yes, my friends, all of this takes a back seat to gay marriage!
Pathetic, no?
Also, consider the fact that Dick Cheney's very own daughter is a lesbian! Can you say hypocritial?

I'm dying to read the intellectuals POV on this...
Also, if you feel it necessary, post your view on gay marriage as a whole.


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Bush's recent public support for a ban is nothing more then to distract the public from his and his party's corrutpness, incompetnece and general ineffectivness. November is comming very soon and a fair number of republicans are facing a election season that may just see the return of a democrat run House. That would effectively neuter Bush as if he already hasn't done that to himself.

Gay marriage issue is essentially the same thing as Flag burning. They come up with problems parties do not want to deal with arise.

It's not a bad move per se, but hopefully the public will understand why he's doing it.

And Bush is flip flopping again. He originally was for a ammendement, then after the election he was aganist it and now he's for it again. Bush is more of a flip flopper then Kerry was, only that Bush's campagin was more effective in highlighting Kerry's mistakes.

As for my views, I don't agree with gay marriage. Infact I;m aganist federal marriage entirely. Marriage is between two people of consenting age to make what of it they will. The gov't should not be enforcing such morality upon its people nor defining value in marriage. If I had my conservative way, I'd get gov't out of marriage entirely. Civil unions and let NGOs take care of marriage.

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As if there aren't more important issues concerning our country at the moment!

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Too bad you obviously don't know what any of those are.

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* Gas prices over $3 per gallon in most states

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Not the president's fault, and nothing he can really do about it.  Still doesn't stop you morons from constantly trying to blame him for things that he has no control over.

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* Having an astonishing number of homeless/unemployed, despite being one of the richest countries in the world

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I guess that explains our 4% unemployment rate?  If you want that number to go much lower, then you'll have to start eliminating the huge Democratic voting block of illegal immigrants.

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* Drugs: Where do I begin?

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Where do you morons end?  The War on Drugs has been going on for well over 20 years now.  I didn't see Clinton completly destroy drugs, but he did get the Defense of Marriage Act passed.  Bush has mad two errors in regards to drugs though, many of them would be abolished if he shut down the border and he needed to keep his promise to Putin to destroy the opium fields in Afghanistan.

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* Fighting a war, for a cause that is no longer ours to fight for

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Liberals are so funny.  These morons don't seem to understand the whole you break it you buy it rule when it comes to warfare in the 20th/21st centuries.

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* Health care

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Not the job of the federal government.

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* The rapid deterioration of natural resources

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Why not blame the liberals who support the invasion from Cuba and Mexico and the strain that puts on our natural resources?  These retards cry about the Everglades, but don't seem to understand that the massive population in eastern Flordia due to the Cuban/Hatian invasion has strained the water levels to the point of draining the Everglades and draining the underground lakes to the point of premature sinkholes.  Don't forget the damage caused by the corn industry, and especially the stupidity that is corn ethanol.

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* Crime

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Yeah because this is the most dangerous country on the planet to live in.

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Yes, my friends, all of this takes a back seat to gay marriage!
Pathetic, no?

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While the gay marriage issue is a classic diversion tactic, the only thing pathetic is you.

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Also, consider the fact that Dick Cheney's very own daughter is a lesbian! Can you say hypocritial?

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Yeah because banning gay marriage is the same as going out and hunting down every homosexual and executing them.

I do like how the gay marriage card got pulled right after the 'guest worker' and the 'path to citizenship' crap got shut down by public opinion.

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This is idiotic. A constitutional AMENDMENT? Is it this big a problem? This is the United States of America. How would that look in the Constitution? "Life! Liberty! Women can vote! Blacks are free! Gay people can't get married!"
Why does it matter?  
WHO CARES?  
What is marriage anymore? With a fifty-percent divorce rate and a casual acceptance of adultery, it means nothing. The whole government needs an overhaul.

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It doesn't matter what people in this country make divorce.  didn't marriage start out as a holy sacrament between a man and a woman?  I do not believe that a man and another man can be wed with God's holy sacrament.  

Why not make something else?  A "civil union" which gives rights to people that married people have but is not so much a "marriage" as is in the bible might be somewhat of a good discussion topic.

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didn't marriage start out as a holy sacrament between a man and a woman?

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Didn't humans start out as cave men?  Your logic is lacking.

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I do not believe that a man and another man can be wed with God's holy sacrament.

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That's up to the church.  Marriage, as recognized by the state, should not follow a particular religion.

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Why not make something else?  A "civil union" which gives rights to people that married people have but is not so much a "marriage" as is in the bible might be somewhat of a good discussion topic.

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Because there are plenty of other perfectly legal marriages that aren't recognized by the church.  I ask you; should atheists be allowed to marry?  By your (largely nonexistent) logic, they should not.

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Funny how bigots always try to talk about particular religions, when nobody is talking about particular religions.  Though we already know that their only desire is to attack all religions.

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Independentt said "a 'marriage' as is in the bible."  No matter what anyone's personal beliefs, the topic is about marriage as recognized by the state, not religion.  I don't care if any or all religions ban gay marriage.  That doesn't bother me in the least bit.  But not all churches ban gay marriage, so saying marriage as defined by the state is (or should be) the same thing as marriage "in the bible" doesn't make much sense, as the state has no reason to honor some religions but not others.  

Independentt's argument is the perfect example of a straw man.  Someone defends gay marriage as something the state should recognize, and he goes on about how "I do not believe that a man and another man can be wed with God's holy sacrament" and marriage as recognized by the Bible.  I think it's pretty clear that he's bringing up a particular religion, or, at least, not equally considering all religions which was my only point.

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That's funny because there are many religions who respect the Bible.  Though we already know that bigots only care about attacking all religions and all people who dare to have a religion.

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Why are we playing with the definition of "religion" when it really doesn't mean anything, nor does it matter?  Yes, there are different sects of christianity, and within sects, there are people who hold slightly different beliefs.  What does that have to do with anything?  I'm simply saying that pretending that the constitution should, by some inherent law, recognize one Bible (as implied by Independentt's post), or even the set of all religions that do not recognize gay marriage, does not make a great deal of sense.

I happen to have a religion, by the way, and I certainly wouldn't expect it to recognize a relationship between me and another male if I had one, but I think the federal government shouldn't deal with that at all.  In fact, if I had my way, no marriages would have any legal standing.

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As if there aren't more important issues concerning our country at the moment!
Too bad you obviously don't know what any of those are.  

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No, too bad you didn't seem to understand any of them! It's called "reading comprehension," I think you need to look into it.

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* Gas prices over $3 per gallon in most states  

Not the president's fault, and nothing he can really do about it.  Still doesn't stop you morons from constantly trying to blame him for things that he has no control over.  

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I find it quite sad that you have nothing better to do than personally attack me for expressing my opinion, and attempt, for the most part, to evade the issue that the topic is about altogether! FYI: Trolling isn't cool

And, yes, gas prices are the president's fault. Maybe, if he'd put as much time into investigating the corrupt actions of oil gas companies, more reliable plans to make America less oil dependant, petitioning for oil companies to have more back-up storage, and trying to prevent mergers that will elevate prices further, as he does for discriminating against homosexuals, we would be in a better place, when it comes to oil, no?

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* Having an astonishing number of homeless/unemployed, despite being one of the richest countries in the world  
 
I guess that explains our 4% unemployment rate?  If you want that number to go much lower, then you'll have to start eliminating the huge Democratic voting block of illegal immigrants.  

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If I'm not mistaken, isn't it Bush who wants the illegal immigrants to stay in this country? Isn't it Bush who had the final say in keeping the illegal immigrants here? Hmm?  

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* Drugs: Where do I begin?  

Where do you morons end?  The War on Drugs has been going on for well over 20 years now.  I didn't see Clinton completly destroy drugs, but he did get the Defense of Marriage Act passed.  Bush has mad two errors in regards to drugs though, many of them would be abolished if he shut down the border and he needed to keep his promise to Putin to destroy the opium fields in Afghanistan.

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Oh, yes, being against drugs is so moronic! Whoa is me! I'm so stupid for being against illegal substances that are the root of so many deaths and so much violence very year!  
Shame on me for expecting my government to protect me, when it comes to situations like that. Guess it's up to me now! Let me go punch every random druggie in the face, and politely ask them to go to jail! That should work!

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* Fighting a war, for a cause that is no longer ours to fight for

Liberals are so funny.  These morons don't seem to understand the whole you break it you buy it rule when it comes to warfare in the 20th/21st centuries.

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Not true at all. We never "broke" Iraq; we ended the dictatorship (which wasn't ours to end), we essentially fixed them. We should have stopped there. Why put so much effort into rebuilding another country, when portions of ours are in shambles themselves?

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* Health care

Not the job of the federal government.  

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If it's "not the job of the federal government", then why do they attempt to be so involved in it? Hmm? Why is it debated at virtually every election? Why has it been addressed at so many speeches? There is so much that the government can do about it, yet they don't.  
FYI: It'd help your argument greatly if you stopped talking out of your arse... Just a wee bit of advice :-)

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* The rapid deterioration of natural resources  

Why not blame the liberals who support the invasion from Cuba and Mexico and the strain that puts on our natural resources?  These retards cry about the Everglades, but don't seem to understand that the massive population in eastern Flordia due to the Cuban/Hatian invasion has strained the water levels to the point of draining the Everglades and draining the underground lakes to the point of premature sinkholes.  Don't forget the damage caused by the corn industry, and especially the stupidity that is corn ethanol.

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You really should do your research before you go running your mouth! The average American creates 17x more waste than the average citizen of Mexico. The US is often so wasteful, when it comes to the use of natural resources, all of the arguing in the world won't abolish the fact that we are not doing everything we can to preserve the environment. We have no soild plans to decelerate the affects of global warming, even though it is largely our fault.

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* Crime  

Yeah because this is the most dangerous country on the planet to live in.  

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Such a simple little man you are! All areas of this country are dealing with steady increases of crime, that could be prevented, in more ways than one. There's no denying that. Who said it was the most dangerous country to live in? It's certainly not the safest, either.
I guess you're a fan of heightened incidences of murder, rape, robbery, etc. Sorry to offend you with my concerns about my fellow citizens! *rolls eyes*

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Yes, my friends, all of this takes a back seat to gay marriage!  
 Pathetic, no?  

While the gay marriage issue is a classic diversion tactic, the only thing pathetic is you.  

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Oh, yes, coming from someone who is expressing such abusive, controlling tendancies as yourself, that's hurts sooo much! If expressing my right to freedom of speech is "pathetic," than pathetic I am!
The only pathetic people out there, are the ones like you, who try to stifle others with unfounded babbling, because you can't admit that you're wrong!

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Also, consider the fact that Dick Cheney's very own daughter is a lesbian! Can you say hypocritical?  

Yeah because banning gay marriage is the same as going out and hunting down every homosexual and executing them.

I do like how the gay marriage card got pulled right after the 'guest worker' and the 'path to citizenship' crap got shut down by public opinion.

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Gay marriage is discrimination. We are all born equal. People like you, and Bush, should try looking at people for who they are; not what they are. In my book, abolishing gay marriage would be just as absurd as banning straight marriage.
Both are used to comencerate love. We're all the same, no need to say who can spend their lives with who, now...

For someone who talked so much, you really didn't say anything, did ya, "abs?"

(Edited by Sweet N Spicy Gal at 7:21 pm on June 6, 2006)

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Something concrete, with facts behind it, as opposed to hypotheses and hysteria?

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It's bullshit. They're people aren't they? People. It is no one's business if they are of the same sex. As long as they love each other should it really matter? Rapists, murderers and other fucked up people are allowed to marry but a normal gay man or woman can't?  

The government shouldn't have any say in people getting married. It shouldn't be their business.

So the Bible is against homosexuality. It's against many other things but those happen (murder, sex without being married or with someone other than your spouse, divorce (correct me if I'm wrong on that, etc.) It's hypocritical.

If your religion agrees with it (if you have one), or even if it doesn't, gay people should still have every right to "marry".

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I guess that explains our 4% unemployment rate?  If you want that number to go much lower, then you'll have to start eliminating the huge Democratic voting block of illegal immigrants.

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You really should do your research before you go running your mouth! The average American creates 17x more waste than the average citizen of Mexico. The US is often so wasteful, when it comes to the use of natural resources, all of the arguing in the world won't abolish the fact that we are not doing everything we can to preserve the environment. We have no soild plans to decelerate the affects of global warming, even though it is largely our fault.

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I couldn't agree more. The U.S. is just terrible in that respect. It's disgusting and shouldn't happen. This problem can be fixed (to a point) if more people actually tried. But when you do try you get called an extremist, hippie, and all that crap. People look on it as being stupid except they don't realize how much trouble they are causing the environment. There is so much wrong with so many things and few people understand how bad it is and fewer yet do anything about it.  

I'm sure the government or whoever knows about the problems and it's terribly cruel (yes, cruel) of them not to do anything about it, least of all actually tell about it.

Considering how far humanity has come I find it hard to believe people are still so fucking discriminatory. It's disgusting. What is intelligence without compassion?  

(Edited by pan at 9:28 pm on June 6, 2006)

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