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Bush's proposed gay marriage ban
Replies: 43Last Post Aug. 6, 2006 5:58pm by MisterAndy
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Quote: from obvious child at 8:17 pm on July 13, 2006


Not entirely correct. Gas prices weren't this high before Bush's little Middle East Adventure. While it isn't his fault for the most part, he does share some of the blame as his actions have seriously unsettled oil traders.

I suppose you bring a point to the table. But, I'm sure if Bush knew that he was going to hurt you, obviouschild, by his "little Middle East Adventure", by trying to help, and a consequence being raised gas prices, I'm TOTALLY positive he would have thought twice! I mean!! Whats a few cents rather than a captured criminal and peace? You deserve an applause!!


It is amazing how some people forgive massive incompetence.

You know, I thought the exact same thing.


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Quote: from whyteguysrock143 at 7:09 pm on July 13, 2006

I suppose you bring a point to the table. But, I'm sure if Bush knew that he was going to hurt you, obviouschild, by his "little Middle East Adventure", by trying to help, and a consequence being raised gas prices, I'm TOTALLY positive he would have thought twice! I mean!! Whats a few cents rather than a captured criminal and peace? You deserve an applause!!

Work on your sarcasm. Trying to help? You really have no idea why the US invading Iraq do you?

Besides, the problems of others are not our concern. It seems you have nothing but contempt for the wisdom of the founding fathers as well. I'm really the last person you want to anger here.    

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Quote: from obvious child at 11:03 pm on July 13, 2006

Work on your sarcasm. Trying to help? You really have no idea why the US invading Iraq do you?  

I'd like to say that I'm quite fond of my sarcasm. and besides that, a stupid point/question deserves a stupid answer.


Besides, the problems of others are not our concern. It seems you have nothing but contempt for the wisdom of the founding fathers as well. I'm really the last person you want to anger here.    

oh no, I can't anger you! You might .. wait, you can't do anything.

I have my opinions, as do you.  


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Only two people here have gotten the best of me.

Think wisely.

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I agree, he really needs to get his priorities straight, there are bigger things than worrying about who people marry. I know that he is probably doing it to please people.

My point of gay marriage: Hmmm, I wasn't brought up that gay marriage is okay, I guess I would get married if I really felt committed to my partner, but I honestly feel that a commitment ceremony is just as good for declaring your commitment to your partner, but I understand why they want marriage, so they can have more rights and more of the benefits that comes with marriage. And I think with the rate of divorce nowadays, I think it's good that more people want to get married, I don't think I've ever heard of a gay couple who have gotten married get a divorce, but then again it hasn't been that long since gay marriages started....However, since I wasn't raised believing in gay marriages I can see why people DO NOT want gay marriage...

I'm just really going on here. So, in short I like gay marriages. I don't know if I'll get one. I see both sides on the issue.

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Quote: from Spirit at 7:56 am on June 21, 2006

bein gay is da gay lolz i got nothon aganst lesbos tho cos they is hot but man on man aint natural

lolol i think bush shud go away coz no onwe likes him and he try and bomb the little starving kyds.


Isn't this the Intellectual forum? Try using better grammar and actually saying something of substance next time you post here please.  


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Just because other issues are going on does not nessarily mean that they are 'taking a back seat' to this issue or any other issue in which you do not have same perspective on.

Really I do not know what to think on the topic. I've heard so many arguments and sociological viewpoints insisting on teh need for somewhat traditional values to keep a somehwat stable societal environment.


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I think a Christian being against it is complete bullshit.

The bible asks YOU not to not participate in homosexual acts, not to stop other people. It wants you to respect non-christians and what they do.


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That monkey - er, President - seriously needs to get his act together.  Set your priorities straight before you harp about what is wrong and right.

I find it bizarre how many people I know are so passionately against gay marriage, especially when it doesn't effect them particularly.  I think that everyone should be able to marry who they want, since I think that married couples get more benefits then couples who are joined in civil ceremony.  (i'm not absolutely certain about that.)

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First, the issue at hand, gay marriage.
Besides financial reasons stated earlier, there are many issues that would need to be worked out before gay marriage is workable.
       First: If they adopt a child, then divorce, who pays alimony?
       Second: with marriage the partners estate is divided 50% during divorce
       Third: I don't see what the furor is about, a civil union seems to be a better deal on the whole anyway.


Now, gas prices.
    Gas actually costs less now, than it has in the past, not in dollars, but in minutes worked, as evidenced at
http://www.leftbusinessobserver.com/WorkMinutes4Gas.gif

on the topic of homelessness/joblessness
    Of the roughly 300,000,000 people in this country 96% of those of working age are employed.
Let's assume that a third of the population is not of working age, so of 200,000,000 people, 192000000 have jobs, that leaves 8 million unemployed which is still a huge number but much less than it has been and almost as good as it has ever been.

As for drugs, why fight a war against drugs that the government has deemed illegal. in my opinion all drugs should be legal, because alcohol kills more than all illegal drugs combined. Smoking kills more than all illegal drugs combined. even falling down a staircase kills more people than all illegal drugs combined.  So it would therefore be safer to ban two-plus story buildings than stop all the drugs from doing less damage than stairs.

The War: regardless of whether you believe that the war should have been started, we are not in a position to let millions of people suffer in a civil war that we started.  we have an obligation to stabilize Iraq, because we were the ones to destablize it.

Whew...



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Quote: from Rayman2010 at 10:51 am on Aug. 5, 2006


First: If they adopt a child, then divorce, who pays alimony?

The partner who made the most money. Custody would be the same way with straight divorce.


Second: with marriage the partners estate is divided 50% during divorce

Third: I don't see what the furor is about, a civil union seems to be a better deal on the whole anyway.


It's called a pre-nup. And civil unions lack more then 1000 rights marriage has.

The best solution is to make all marriages civil unions, and bring civil unions up to the 1000+ rights they are missing and get gov't the hell out of marriage.  


The War: regardless of whether you believe that the war should have been started, we are not in a position to let millions of people suffer in a civil war that we started.  we have an obligation to stabilize Iraq, because we were the ones to destablize it.

I don't know about that so much. Thomas Friedman who has often backed this adminstration staunchly has just argued that we need a plan B of quick withdraw and we need it now. I agree with the "you broke it you bought it," but staying the course purely for staying the course when the course if screwed up due to no planning and incompetence is just idiotic. We need a massive Iraqi reform program but I don't think it will work anyways given how bad the situtation is starting to get. Most of Iraq is pretty secure, no arguement there, but key population centers are in flames and the democratically elected gov't is incapable of doing anything. The Israelis were right from the start. We should have put a pro-US dictator in power and not occupy the country.

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Actually, I had never thought of using a dictator or viceroy, some other nice word for dictator.

It would have actually been interesting to see how that would have worked.  Just lean on the american dictatorship and have the democratic government built underneath an already solidified power structure.

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Bush is an idiot. He only made it into power because his daddy was President. He only made it into University because his daddy was President. I'm not critisising his morals, but his ability. Politicians don't have morals anyway.

Going back to what WhyteGuys whatever said on Page 2, Bush is partly responsible for the increased oil prices. Prices are not increasing because we are "running out". The oil flow is consistent - we are therefore consuming a constant amount of oil (price should therefore be constant). The supply is not good, however,  because of the war in Iraq. That triggered-off the rise in oil price. Who initiated the war in Iraq?

Another thing: Health care. The USA does not have the best health care in the world. The WHO ranks the USA at no. 37 (out of 191) for healthcare services. France came top overall.

As for Rayman's comment on drugs: "in my opinion all drugs should be legal, because alcohol kills more than all illegal drugs combined. Smoking kills more than all illegal drugs combined".

The reason for larger numbers in death is that alcohol and smoking are: legal in the first place and viewed as being less dangerous. To make drugs "legal" is to condone their use. Drugs would be widely available, due to their being legal, and more people would die as a result. Alcohol and smoking are legal. Their use is effectively encouraged.

I do agree with what Rayman says about stabilizing Iraq. If the coalition forces were to pull out of Iraq at this point, it would leave behind a country that is wrecked - a country that was better-off under Saddam. It would signify an immense failure for the Coalition, and would also signify the 4th military embarassment for the USA (in this century) - the USA has not 'won' any wars since WWII, despite starting several - including Vietnam, Korea, Gulf War I (which was never really concluded, hence the need for a second Gulf War) and Gulf War II.


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