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emmy350
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I agree, he really needs to get his priorities straight, there are bigger things than worrying about who people marry. I know that he is probably doing it to please people. My point of gay marriage: Hmmm, I wasn't brought up that gay marriage is okay, I guess I would get married if I really felt committed to my partner, but I honestly feel that a commitment ceremony is just as good for declaring your commitment to your partner, but I understand why they want marriage, so they can have more rights and more of the benefits that comes with marriage. And I think with the rate of divorce nowadays, I think it's good that more people want to get married, I don't think I've ever heard of a gay couple who have gotten married get a divorce, but then again it hasn't been that long since gay marriages started....However, since I wasn't raised believing in gay marriages I can see why people DO NOT want gay marriage... I'm just really going on here. So, in short I like gay marriages. I don't know if I'll get one. I see both sides on the issue.
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Rayman2010
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First, the issue at hand, gay marriage. Besides financial reasons stated earlier, there are many issues that would need to be worked out before gay marriage is workable. First: If they adopt a child, then divorce, who pays alimony? Second: with marriage the partners estate is divided 50% during divorce Third: I don't see what the furor is about, a civil union seems to be a better deal on the whole anyway. Now, gas prices. Gas actually costs less now, than it has in the past, not in dollars, but in minutes worked, as evidenced at http://www.leftbusinessobserver.com/WorkMinutes4Gas.gif on the topic of homelessness/joblessness Of the roughly 300,000,000 people in this country 96% of those of working age are employed. Let's assume that a third of the population is not of working age, so of 200,000,000 people, 192000000 have jobs, that leaves 8 million unemployed which is still a huge number but much less than it has been and almost as good as it has ever been. As for drugs, why fight a war against drugs that the government has deemed illegal. in my opinion all drugs should be legal, because alcohol kills more than all illegal drugs combined. Smoking kills more than all illegal drugs combined. even falling down a staircase kills more people than all illegal drugs combined. So it would therefore be safer to ban two-plus story buildings than stop all the drugs from doing less damage than stairs. The War: regardless of whether you believe that the war should have been started, we are not in a position to let millions of people suffer in a civil war that we started. we have an obligation to stabilize Iraq, because we were the ones to destablize it. Whew...
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Quote: from Rayman2010 at 10:51 am on Aug. 5, 2006
First: If they adopt a child, then divorce, who pays alimony? 
The partner who made the most money. Custody would be the same way with straight divorce.
Second: with marriage the partners estate is divided 50% during divorce Third: I don't see what the furor is about, a civil union seems to be a better deal on the whole anyway. 
It's called a pre-nup. And civil unions lack more then 1000 rights marriage has. The best solution is to make all marriages civil unions, and bring civil unions up to the 1000+ rights they are missing and get gov't the hell out of marriage.
The War: regardless of whether you believe that the war should have been started, we are not in a position to let millions of people suffer in a civil war that we started. we have an obligation to stabilize Iraq, because we were the ones to destablize it. 
I don't know about that so much. Thomas Friedman who has often backed this adminstration staunchly has just argued that we need a plan B of quick withdraw and we need it now. I agree with the "you broke it you bought it," but staying the course purely for staying the course when the course if screwed up due to no planning and incompetence is just idiotic. We need a massive Iraqi reform program but I don't think it will work anyways given how bad the situtation is starting to get. Most of Iraq is pretty secure, no arguement there, but key population centers are in flames and the democratically elected gov't is incapable of doing anything. The Israelis were right from the start. We should have put a pro-US dictator in power and not occupy the country.
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Bush is an idiot. He only made it into power because his daddy was President. He only made it into University because his daddy was President. I'm not critisising his morals, but his ability. Politicians don't have morals anyway. Going back to what WhyteGuys whatever said on Page 2, Bush is partly responsible for the increased oil prices. Prices are not increasing because we are "running out". The oil flow is consistent - we are therefore consuming a constant amount of oil (price should therefore be constant). The supply is not good, however, because of the war in Iraq. That triggered-off the rise in oil price. Who initiated the war in Iraq? Another thing: Health care. The USA does not have the best health care in the world. The WHO ranks the USA at no. 37 (out of 191) for healthcare services. France came top overall. As for Rayman's comment on drugs: "in my opinion all drugs should be legal, because alcohol kills more than all illegal drugs combined. Smoking kills more than all illegal drugs combined". The reason for larger numbers in death is that alcohol and smoking are: legal in the first place and viewed as being less dangerous. To make drugs "legal" is to condone their use. Drugs would be widely available, due to their being legal, and more people would die as a result. Alcohol and smoking are legal. Their use is effectively encouraged. I do agree with what Rayman says about stabilizing Iraq. If the coalition forces were to pull out of Iraq at this point, it would leave behind a country that is wrecked - a country that was better-off under Saddam. It would signify an immense failure for the Coalition, and would also signify the 4th military embarassment for the USA (in this century) - the USA has not 'won' any wars since WWII, despite starting several - including Vietnam, Korea, Gulf War I (which was never really concluded, hence the need for a second Gulf War) and Gulf War II.
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